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Sibyl (Suthen) BIORNSDOTTIR, Of Northumbria

Sibyl (Suthen) BIORNSDOTTIR, Of Northumbria[1]

Female Abt 1010 - 1040  (~ 30 years)

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  • Name Sibyl (Suthen) BIORNSDOTTIR  [2
    Suffix Of Northumbria 
    Born Abt 1010  Northumbria, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender Female 
    Name Sibyl SYWARDSDOTTIR 
    _UID 7CCB3D04405A44E3BB126405838067856E56 
    Died 1040  [2
    Person ID I11799  Carney Wehofer Feb 2024 Genealogy
    Last Modified 5 Feb 2012 

    Father Biorn ULFIUSSON, Jarl Of Denmark,   b. Abt 970, Denmark Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1049, Murdered In Bosham, Sussex, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 79 years) 
    Family ID F5982  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Duncan I Maccrinan King Of SCOTLAND,   b. 1001, Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 14 Aug 1040, Elgin, Morayshire, Scotland (Killed By Macbeth) Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 39 years) 
    Married 1030 
    Children 
     1. Malcolm III Canmore King Of SCOTLAND,   b. 1031, Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 13 Nov 1093, Alnwick Castle, Northumbria, England (Slain Besieging) Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 62 years)
     2. Donald III Bane King Of SCOTLAND,   b. Abt 1033, Atholl, Perth, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Aft 1097, Rescobie, Angus, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 65 years)
     3. Duncan Mormaer Of MORAY,   b. Abt 1035, Nithsdale, Dumfriesshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Yes, date unknown
     4. Mael Muire (Melmar) Mormaer Of ATHOLL,   b. Abt 1038, Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Yes, date unknown
     5. Beatrix Of SCOTLAND,   b. Abt 1040, Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Yes, date unknown
    Last Modified 29 Aug 2016 
    Family ID F5990  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Notes 
    • Note: Turton's Plantagenet Ancestry has Sibyl as daughter of Sigurd, but I think it more likely she was his sister. The dates just seem entirely incompatible with her being born that late. Based on the e-mail from Betty Knoche, referring to the Mammoth Book on English Kings & Queens, by Mike Ashley, I am going to make her a sister (I have used slightly different dates, making her a younger sister).

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      The following e-mail from Betty Knoche, [email protected], gives a source who states that Sibyl was a sister (not daughter of Sigurd/Syward:

      Hi Jim

      You noted that you thought Sibyl was the sister of Sigurd rather than daughter.

      According to British Kings et al, the comment is "Sybilla, sister (some records say dau.) of Siward, earl of Northumbria:..." I have a note that says Siward Biornsson was born abt 1020 with a sister born abt 1010 and they are the children of Biorn Ulsinsson, Earl in Denmark (born abt 975 in Roskilde, Denmark). I don't know if this helps or hinders!

      Betty

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      The following was given in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, [email protected]:

      Gerald Paget "The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales" p56 & 153 indicates that her father was Bjorn Bearsson & her brother was Siward Earl of Northumbria.

      George Andrews Moriarty "The Plantagenet Ancestry of King Edward III and Queen Philippa" p30 indicates that Siward was her cousin.

      Todd A Farmerie in a 23 Feb 2002 msg to SGM stated:
      There is no contemporary or near-contemporary documentation of this (that Sybil FitzSiward was the wife of Duncan I MacCrinan). The best you get is Siward being called a kinsman of Malcolm, Duncan's son (likewise, the name Sybil in this context is not workable). If such a connection is true, I would think that the relationship was through Siward's wife.

      Stewart Baldwin on the Henry Project webpage: http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/suthe000.htm
      identifies her as "Suthen" (Sybil certainly doesn?t sound Danish to me. Curt) & states:
      Suthen's name is known only from one of the Scottish king lists ("Regnal List I"), which gives the name of the mother of Malcolm III in an interlined addition [KKES 284]. ESSH 1: 596 cites the late fourteenth century Scottish historian John of Fordun [iv, 44] as stating that Duncan had married a kinswoman of Siward of Northumbria. Given Siward's support of Malcolm, that is plausible enough, but there does not appear to be any justification for attempts to define a more specific relationship between Suthen and Siward.

      Bibliography
      ESSH = Alan Orr Anderson, Early Sources of Scottish History, 2 vols. (Edinburgh, 1922, reprinted Stamford, 1990). [Contains English translations of many of the primary records]

      KKES = Marjorie Ogilvy Anderson, Kings and Kingship in Early Scotland (Edinburgh, Totowa, NJ, 1973).

      Regards,
      Curt

  • Sources 
    1. [SAuth] Jim Carney, compiled by James H Carney [(E-ADDRESS), & MAILING ADDRESS FOR PRIVATE USE], Buderim, Queensland 4556 AUSTRALIA.

    2. [S138] The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968, 21 (Reliability: 3).