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Carney & Wehofer Family
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 1392 - 1416
Generation: 1
| 1. | Thomas 2Nd Baron WEST, Of Oakhanger, Sir was born in 1392 in Oakhanger, Selborne, Hampshire, England (son of Thomas 1St Baron WEST, Of Oakhanger, Sir and Joan De LA WARRE); died between 29 and 30 Sep 1416. Other Events:
- _UID: F6B7B003001A4685807EF711D0FCA45611CA
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BARONY OF WEST (II) 1405
THOMAS (WEST), LORD WEST, son and heir, was born 1392; knighted on the eve of Henry V's Coronation, 8 April 1413; and had livery of his father's lands, 8 August following though he had not proved his age. He was in the King's retinue for the campaign of 1415 and fought at Agincourt, 25 October; a Commissioner of array in Hants, Wilts and Dorset, 26 May 1416. While at Calais, September 1416, he sailed under the Earl of Warwick in pursuit of a large Genoese carrack, 24 September; but in an accident on the following day, before battle was joined, he received mortal injuries from which, though landed in England, he died soon afterwards.
He married, before 2 July 1406, Ida, younger daughter and coheir of Amauri (DE ST. AMAND), 3rd LORD ST. AMAND, by his 2nd wife, Eleanor, daughter and heir of Richard LAVYNTON.[?] She, who was born 6 May 1392, died, apparently in childbirth and a little before him, before 6 November 1416, aged 24. He died s.p. as aforesaid 29 or 30 September 1416, also aged about 24. [Complete Peerage XII/2:521, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Died:
(Dsp, From Accident Aboard Ship)
Thomas married Ida Daughter Of Amauri De ST. AMAND before 2 Jul 1406. Ida was born on 6 May 1392 in Hornchurch, Romford, Essex, England; died before 6 Nov 1416. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
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Generation: 2
| 2. | Thomas 1St Baron WEST, Of Oakhanger, Sir was born in 1365 in Oakhanger, Selborne, Hampshire, England; died on 19 Apr 1405 in Roughcombe, Tisbury, Wiltshire, England; was buried in Christchurch Priory, Lambeth, London, England. Other Events:
- _UID: 65C95CD3D80B44EDB0241C36F5BAC80D1B3D
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Thomas West, 1st Lord (Baron) West, so created by writ 19 June 1402; knighted by 15 Oct 1386, served wars in France 1387. [Burke's Peerage]
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Thomas West, b. 1365, d. 19 Apr 1405, 3rd Lord West, son of Sir Thomas West and Alice Fitz Herbert. [Magna Charta Sureties]
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BARONY OF WEST (I) 1402
THOMAS WEST, son and heir, born 1365, was going to Calais on the King's service with Henry de Percy, 30 April 1386, being in that town, 16 July following (a); had seisin of his father's manor of
Newton Tony, Wilts, 15 October 1386, being then a knight and aged 21; and had seisin of his mother's lands, 20 October 1395. He was joint farmer of the possessions in England of the abbot of S?es, 20 October 1397; had a protection, going to Ireland on the King's service with the Duke of Aumale, 5 May 1399; was granted view of frankpledge within his hamlet of Newton Tony, 17 February 1400/1; and, as a Banneret, was appointed to attend Queen Isabel to Calais, 1 June 1401. He was summoned to Parliament from 19 June 1402 to 25 August 1404, by writs directed Thome West, whereby he is held
to have become LORD WEST. He was given the joint custody of Beaulieu Abbey, Hants, 5 February 1404/5.
He married, before 2 May 1384, Joan, widow of Ralph DE WELYNGTON, or WILINGTON, of Sandhurst, co. Gloucester, &c. (who died a minor and s.p., 16 August 1384) sister of the half-blood and (in her issue) heir of John and Thomas, 4th and 5th LORDS LA WARRE (both of whom died s.p.), daughter, being the only daughter that left issue, of Roger (LA WARRE), 3rd LORD LA WARRE, by his 3rd wife, Eleanor, daughter of John (DE MOWBRAY), 3rd LORD MOWBRAY. She died 24 April 1404. He died on Easter Day (19 April) 1405. Will dated 8 April 1405, directing burial in Christchurch Priory, proved at Lambeth, 1405. [Complete Peerage XII/2:520, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(a) Unless these entries refer to his father, shortly before 19 Aug 1382, he and his mother and sister, Eleanor, were assaulted and robbed at Lyndhurst aforesaid, on which occasion Eleanor was ravished by Nicholas Clifton, presumably her future husband.
Thomas married Joan De LA WARRE before 2 May 1384 in 2ND Husband. Joan (daughter of Roger 3Rd Baron De LA WARRE, Sir and Eleanor (Alianore) De MOWBRAY) was born about 1367 in Offington, Broadwater, Sussex, England; died on 24 Apr 1404 in Oakhanger, Selborne, Hampshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
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| 3. | Joan De LA WARRE was born about 1367 in Offington, Broadwater, Sussex, England (daughter of Roger 3Rd Baron De LA WARRE, Sir and Eleanor (Alianore) De MOWBRAY); died on 24 Apr 1404 in Oakhanger, Selborne, Hampshire, England. Other Events:
- _UID: 19384EF89BA34B449CE3B97FEC239821E39B
Notes:
Joan de la Warre, d. 24 Apr 1404; m. (1) Ralf de Wilington, dsp 17 Aug 1382; m. (2) by 24 May 1384 Sir Thomas West, b. 1365, d. 19 Apr 1405, 3rd Lord West, son of Sir Thomas West and Alice Fitz Herbert. [Magna Charta Sureties]
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He [Thomas West] married, before 2 May 1384, Joan, widow of Ralph DE WELYNGTON, or WILINGTON, of Sandhurst, co. Gloucester, &c. (who died a minor and s.p., 16 August 1384) sister of the half-blood and (in her issue) heir of John and Thomas, 4th and 5th LORDS LA WARRE (both of whom died s.p.), daughter, being the only daughter that left issue, of Roger (LA WARRE), 3rd LORD LA WARRE, by his 3rd wife, Eleanor, daughter of John (DE MOWBRAY), 3rd LORD MOWBRAY. She died 24 April 1404. He died on Easter Day (19 April) 1405. Will dated 8 April 1405, directing burial in Christchurch Priory, proved at Lambeth, 1405. [Complete Peerage XII/2:520, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Children:
- 1. Thomas 2Nd Baron WEST, Of Oakhanger, Sir was born in 1392 in Oakhanger, Selborne, Hampshire, England; died between 29 and 30 Sep 1416.
- Reynold 3Rd Baron WEST, 6th Baron De La Warre was born on 7 Sep 1395 in Oakhanger, Selborne, Hampshire, England; died on 27 Aug 1450 in London, Middlesexshire, England.
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Generation: 3
Children:
- 2. Thomas 1St Baron WEST, Of Oakhanger, Sir was born in 1365 in Oakhanger, Selborne, Hampshire, England; died on 19 Apr 1405 in Roughcombe, Tisbury, Wiltshire, England; was buried in Christchurch Priory, Lambeth, London, England.
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| 6. | Roger 3Rd Baron De LA WARRE, Sir was born on 30 Nov 1326 in Axminster, Devonshire, England; died on 27 Aug 1370 in Gascony, France. Other Events:
- _UID: 85B269B51E184295B0CDA8149693C4DF67D5
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Roger la Warre, 3rd Lord (Baron) la Warre; in the retinue of The Black Prince at Battle of Crecy and Siege of Calais 1346-7; served Gascony Sep 1355 and again 1364, 1366, 1368/9, and 1370, present Battle of Poitiers 1356, served Picardy and Caux July-Nov 1369 under John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster; married 1st Elizabeth de Welle, 2nd daughter of 3rd Lord (Baron) Welle of the 1299 creation, having by her John, 4th Lord, who dsp 27 Aug 1370 and Thomas, 5th Lord, who dsp unm 7 May 1427, when the Barony of La Warre passed to his half sister (Joan)'s son Reynold/Reginald West. [Burke's Peerage]
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Roger de la Warre, b. 30 Nov 1326, d. Gascony, 27 Aug 1370, Lord de la Warre; m. (3) bef. 23 July 1358, Alianore Mowbray. [Magna Charta Sureties]
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BARONY OF LA WARRE (III)
ROGER (LA WARRE), LORD LA WARRE, grandson and heir, being son and heir of John LA WARRE, by Margaret (who died 20 or 22 August 1349), daughter of Sir Robert DE HOLAND, of West Derby, co. Lancaster, Yoxall, co. Stafford, &c. [LORD HOLAND], which John was son and heir apparent of the last Lord, but died v.p., shortly before 24 June 1331. He was born 30 November 1326. He was in the retinue of the Prince at the battle of Crecy and, at the siege of Calais. On 7 November 1349 the King took his homage, and he had livery of divers manors which his mother had held for life: he was then a knight. On 22 April 1353 the King took his homage and fealty, and he had livery of the manor of Wakerley and obtained also the manor of Swineshead, both of which his grandmother, Joan, had held for life. He accompanied the Prince of Wales to Gascony in September 1355, and was in the skirmish at Romorantin in Sologne, and at the battle of Poitiers (c). He was with the King in the invasion of France, October 1359 to 1360, and was taken prisoner in the latter year by Sir Jean Haubert. He was summoned to Parliament 14 August 1362 and 1 June 1363, by writs directed Rogero de la Warre or de Warre. He was in Gascony with the Prince of Wales in 1364, 1366, 1368, and 1368/9, and was one of the commissioners appointed by the King of Castile, 23 September 1366, to put the Prince of Wales in possession of the domain of Biscay. He served under the Duke of Lancaster in his raid into Picardy and Caux, July to November 1369, and was again with the Prince of Wales in Gascony in 1370. He married, 1stly, before 14 October 1338, Elizabeth, 2nd daughter of Sir Adam DE WELLE, of Well, co. Lincoln [LORD WELLE], by Margaret, his wife. She was living 24 February 1344/5. He married 2ndly, before 3 February 1353/4, Elizabeth. He married, 3rdly, before 23 July 1358, Allianore, daughter of Sir John DE MOUBRAY, Lord of Axholme, Bramber, and Gower [LORD MOUBRAY], by his 1st wife, Joan, daughter of Henry, EARL OF LANCASTER and LEICESTER. He died 27 August 1370, in Gascony, aged 43. His widow's dower was ordered to be assigned, 26 November 1370. She married 2ndly, before 12 February 1372/3, Sir Lewis DE CLIFFORD. She died before 18 June 1387. He died in 1404. [Complete Peerage IV:144-7, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(c) The King of France surrendered himself at Poitiers to Denis de Morbek, a knight of Artois, according to Froissart, who give a minute account. Denis was appealed against by Bernard de Troie, a squire of Gascony, in respect of the taking of the King of France at the battle of Poitiers. In 1360-61 Bernard and Denis were both frequently receiving money from Edward III, but the payments to the former only are described as "pro capcione Johannis Regis Francie". By his deed, dated 1 July 1361, "Bernardus deu Troy scutifer de Vasconia...in periculo anime mee" declared "quod die belli de Poitiers Ego cepi Regem Francie et se mihi reddidit Rex predictus et meus verus prisionarius est et nullus alius jus habet in eo preter me de jure vel racione." Witnesses: the lords Oivier de Clisson, William de Montagu, Bartholomew de Burghersh, Robert de Holand, Thomas de Ros, Bernard de Brocas, etc. There is a story that Roger la Warre and John Pelham were in the crowd which surrounded the King, the former getting the King's sword, and the latter his belt: and that Roger therefore took the crampet or chape of a sword, and John a buckle, as their badges. Froissart does not mention either of them.
Roger married Eleanor (Alianore) De MOWBRAY before 23 Jul 1358 in 1st Husband 3Rd Wife. Eleanor (daughter of John 3Rd Baron De MOWBRAY, Of Thirsk, Sir and Joan PLANTAGENET) was born about 1345 in Epworth, Isle Of Axholme, Lincolnshire, England; died before 18 Jun 1387. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
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| 7. | Eleanor (Alianore) De MOWBRAY was born about 1345 in Epworth, Isle Of Axholme, Lincolnshire, England (daughter of John 3Rd Baron De MOWBRAY, Of Thirsk, Sir and Joan PLANTAGENET); died before 18 Jun 1387. Other Events:
- Name: Alianore MOWBRAY
- _UID: FAF358E40C2F41E39E1C1D2FB05274090D4F
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Alianore Mowbray, d. by 18 June 1387; m. as his 3rd wife, bef. 23 July 1358, Roger de la Warre. [Magna Charta Sureties]
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He [Roger la Warre] married, 3rdly, before 23 July 1358, Allianore, daughter of Sir John DE MOUBRAY, Lord of Axholme, Bramber, and Gower [LORD MOUBRAY], by his 1st wife, Joan, daughter of Henry, EARL OF LANCASTER and LEICESTER. He died 27 August 1370, in Gascony, aged 43. His widow's dower was ordered to be assigned, 26 November 1370. She married 2ndly, before 12 February 1372/3, Sir Lewis DE CLIFFORD. She died before 18 June 1387. He died in 1404. [Complete Peerage IV:144-7, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Children:
- 3. Joan De LA WARRE was born about 1367 in Offington, Broadwater, Sussex, England; died on 24 Apr 1404 in Oakhanger, Selborne, Hampshire, England.
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Generation: 4
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