Elizabeth COKAYNE

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Reginald married Eleanor (Alianore) Le STRANGE before 29 Nov 1360 in Knockin, Oswestry, Shropshire, England. Eleanor (daughter of John STRANGE, VI and Ankaret Le BOTELER) was born in 1338 in Blakemere, Weobley, Herefordshire, England; died on 20 Apr 1396. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Ancestral Roots states that Alianore's parents are Roger II 5th Baron le Strange of Knockyn and his wife Aline FitzAlan. The following post by Douglas Richardson to SGM, 8 Sep 2002, indicates different parents for Eleanor/Alianore:

From: Douglas Richardson ([email protected])
Subject: New Henry II descent for Eleanor le Strange, wife of Reynold de Grey, 2nd Lord Grey of Ruthin
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-09-08 09:06:15 PST

Dear Chris ~

The deposition dated 1408 cited by C.P. 14 sounds like good evidence to me for the identification of the parentage of Eleanor le Strange, wife of Reynold de Grey, 2nd Lord Grey of Ruthin. Eleanor died in 1396, so the deposition is almost contemporary with her lifetime. This correction would make Eleanor le Strange the daughter of John le Strange, 2nd Lord Strange of Blackmere (died 1349), by his wife, Ankaret le Boteler. If so, she would have the following all new descent from King Henry II as follows:

HENRY II, King of England, by a mistress, IDA _____.
WILLIAM LONGESP?E, Earl of Salisbury, married ELA OF SALISBURY.
IDA LONGESP?E, married WALTER FITZ ROBERT, Knt., Baron of Little Dunmow, Essex.
ELA FITZ WALTER, married WILLIAM DE ODDINGSELES, Knt., of Solihull, co. Warwick.
IDA DE ODDINGSELES, married ROGER DE HERDEBURGH, Knt., of Prilleston, Norfolk [see CLINTON 12].
ELA DE HERDEBURGH, married WILLIAM LE BOTELER, 1st Lord Boteler of Wem.
ANKARET LE BOTELER, married JOHN LE STRANGE, 2nd Lord Strange of Blackmere.
ELEANOR LE STRANGE, married Reynold de Grey, 2nd Lord Grey of Ruthin.

The above royal descent goes through the new Herdeburgh-Oddingseles connection, which matter was discussed in several posts this past year on the newsgroup.

The above arrangement assumes that Ida Longespee, wife of Walter Fitz Robert, was the second daughter of that name of William Longespee, Earl of Salisbury. To verify that this Ida Longespee belongs in that generation, this past week I checked the chronology of the family of William de Oddingseles, Knt., who married Ida Longespee's daughter, Ela Fitz Walter. My investigation indicates that William de Oddingseles was born say 1230/5, which date is entirely compatible with William's wife, Ela Fitz Walter, being a granddaughter of William Longespee, Earl of Salisbury, and his wife, Ela of Salisbury, as above. Research indicates that William de Oddingseles' father, William, Sr., and uncle, Gerard, both were of full age before 1239. William, Sr., and Gerard's parents, Hugh de Oddingseles and Basile de Limesey, in turn were evidently married about 1200. For my prior statement that there were two Ida Longespee's in the same generation, please see the archives.

Note: I have the Ida Longespee mentioned above as a daughter of William II de Longespee (William's son), based on a suggestion by Ancestral Roots. While not impossible, it is very unusualy to have two daughters named Ida by the same husband and wife.