Thomas GREENE, Sheriff Of Northampton, Sir

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Sir Thomas Greene, of Greene's Norton, born Norton 10 Feb 1399/1400, died 18 Jan 1461/2, Sheriff of Northamptonshire 1454; married (1) Philippa de Ferrers, died 3 Nov 1415. [Magna Charta Sureties]

Thomas married Philippa De FERRERS in 1st Wife. Philippa (daughter of Robert 5Th Baron De FERRERS, Of Chartley, Sir and Margaret Le DESPENSER) was born about 1393 in Chartley Castle, Staffordshire, England; died on 3 Nov 1415 in Greene's Norton, Northamptonshire, England; was buried on 5 Nov 1415 in Greene's Norton, Northamptonshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Richard GREENE, Of Newby was born in 1415 in Newby, North Riding Yorkshire, England; and died.

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Sir Thomas Greene, Knight, of Greene's Norton, co. Northampton, died 14 Dec 1417, Sheriff of Northamptonshire 1416. [Magna Charta Sureties]

Thomas married Lady Mary TALBOT, of Blakemere. Mary (daughter of Sir Richard TALBOT, VI and Ankaret Baroness Le STRANGE) was born on 23 Sep 1383 in Goodrich Castle, Goodrich, Herefordshire, England; was christened in 1383 in Blakemere, Herefordshire, England; died on 13 Apr 1433 in Green's Norton, Northamptonshire, England; was buried on 25 Apr 1433 in St. John the Baptist's Cemetery, Grene's Norton, Northamptonshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• _UID: 51C7FCCE1FD54376BBAA268732912DBA4BEA

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Mary Talbot, d. 13 Apr 1433; m. Sir Thomas Greene, Knight, of Greene's Norton, co. Northampton, d. 14 Dec 1417, sheriff of Northamptonshire 1416. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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• FamilySearch ID: 29Y9-CR1
• Title (Nobility): ; Baron of Wexford
• Name: Richard TALBOT
• _UID: 023084EF7DF64482BF423D74BC093E17AA09
• Occupation: 1384; Member of Parliament

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Sir Richard Talbot, 4th Lord (Baron) Talbot, also 1st Lord (Baron) Talbot of Blackmere, so created by writ of summons vp 3 March 1383/4, seemingly as a fresh creation albeit the territorial designation of the writ was worded as though in right of his wife; born c1361; knighted 1377; married by 23 Aug 1383 Ankaret (married 2nd as his 2nd wife Thomas Nevill(e), 5th Lord (Baron) Furnivall(e)/Nevill of Halumshire, and died 1 June 1413), sister and eventually sole heiress of John, 5th Lord (Baron) Strange (of Blackmere), thus becoming according to later doctrine Baroness Strange (of Blackmere) in her own right, and died 8 or 9 Sep 1396. [Burke's Peerage, p. 2604]

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Sir Richard Talbot, Lord Talbot, b. c 1361, d. 7-8 Sep 1396; m. bef. 12 Aug 1383 Ankaret Lestrange. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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BARONY OF TALBOT (IV)

RiCHARD (TALBOT), LORD TALBOT, son and heir, by 1st wife, was born about 1361; knighted by Richard II at his Coronation, 16 July 1377; was in Ireland with Edmund, Earl of March, January 1380/1. He was summoned to Parliament v.p., in consequence of his marriage to the heiress of Strange (of Blackmere), from 3 March 1383/4 to 17 December 1387, by writs directed Ricardo Talbot de Blakemere, whereby he is held to have become LORD TALBOT (of Blackmere). Having succeeded his father, 24 April 1387, he was summoned to Parliament also on 17 December 1387, by writ directed Ricardo Talbot de Godriche Castell; and he continued to be so summoned (and no longer as of Blackmere, until 13 November 1393. With his father he was summoned 13 June 1385, to be at Newcastle-on-Tyne, 14 July, for service against the Scots. Orders were given, 18 June 1387, for him to have full seisin of his father's lands, his homage being respited till Michaelmas following. After the death of John (de Hastinges), 3rd Earl of Pembroke, 30 or 31 December 1389, Lord Talbot was awarded the Honor of Wexford in Ireland, as coheir through Elizabeth Comyn, wife of the 2nd Lord Talbot. He was a Commissioner of array for Salop, 1 March 1391/2; and was in Ireland on the King's service, February 1394/5.

He married, before 23 August 1381 Ankaret, suo jure, according to modern doctrine, BARONESS STRANGE (of Blackmere), only daughter (who on 23 August 1383 became sole heir) of John (LESTRANGE), IV LORD STRANGE (of Blackmere), by Mary, daughter of Richard (FITZALAN), EARL OF ARUNDEL. He died 8 or 9 September 1396 in London, aged about 35. His widow, who was aged 22 in 1383, married, as his 2nd wife, between 8 March and 4 July 1401, Thomas (NEVILLE), LORD FURNIVALLE, who died s.p.m., 14 March 1406/7. She died 1 June 1413, aged about 52. [Complete Peerage XII/1:616-17, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

Note: Ankaret's mother, Mary, was the daughter of Edmund, the 9th earl of Arundel, not Richard, the 10th earl (see Arundel, vol.1, p.244, note b). [Some Correction and Additions to the Complete Peerage]

Richard married Ankaret Baroness Le STRANGE in 1381 in Herefordshire, England. Ankaret (daughter of John 4Th Baron Le STRANGE, Of Blackmere, Sir and Mary (Isabel) FITZALAN) was born in Apr 1361 in Whitchurch, Shropshire, England; died on 1 Jun 1413; was buried after 1 Jun 1413 in Whitchurch, Shropshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• FamilySearch ID: MYDN-HHR
• Title (Nobility): ; 7th Baroness of Blackmere
• Title (Nobility): ; Countess of Shrewsbury
• Name: Anghared
• Name: Matilda
• Name: Maud
• _UID: 5CFDFCDF64924CB49BD2D15C99460B87350B
• Alt. Death: 1 Jun 1413, Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England

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Ankaret (married 2nd as his 2nd wife Thomas Nevill(e), 5th Lord (Baron) Furnivall(e)/Nevill of Halumshire, and died 1 June 1413), sister and eventually sole heiress of John, 5th Lord (Baron) Strange (of Blackmere), thus becoming according to later doctrine Baroness Strange (of Blackmere) in her own right. [Burke's Peerage]

Ankaret, daughter and eventual heir of 1st Lord (Baron) Strange or Lestrange of the 1360 creation and widow of Lord (Baron) Talbot (of Blackmere). [Burke's Peerage, p. 14]

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Ankaret Lestrange, b. 1361 (age 22 in Aug 1383), d. 1 June 1413; m. (1) bef. 23 Aug 1383, Sir Richard Talbot. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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He [Richard Talbot] married, before 23 August 1381 Ankaret, suo jure, according to modern doctrine, BARONESS STRANGE (of Blackmere), only daughter (who on 23 August 1383 became sole heir) of John (LESTRANGE), IV LORD STRANGE (of Blackmere), by Mary, daughter of Richard (FITZALAN), EARL OF ARUNDEL. He died 8 or 9 September 1396 in London, aged about 35. His widow, who was aged 22 in 1383, married, as his 2nd wife, between 8 March and 4 July 1401, Thomas (NEVILLE), LORD FURNIVALLE, who died s.p.m., 14 March 1406/7. She died 1 June 1413, aged about 52. [Complete Peerage XII/1:616-17, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

Note: Ankaret's mother, Mary, was the daughter of Edmund, the 9th earl of Arundel, not Richard, the 10th earl (see Arundel, vol.1, p.244, note b). [Some Correction and Additions to the Complete Peerage]

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Gilbert married Petronilla Pernel BUTLER. Petronilla was born about 1332 in Diocese of Kerry, Munster, Ireland; was christened in 1338 in Policott, Buckinghamshire, England; died on 23 Apr 1368 in Hereford, Herefordshire, England; was buried in 1368. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• FamilySearch ID: LDPW-677

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John Lestrange, 1st Lord (Baron) Strange or Lestrange of a new creation by writ of summons 3 April 1360, JP (Salop 1360); Lady Mary FitzAlan (died 29 Aug 1396), daughter of 10th/3rd Earl of Arundel, and died 12 May 1361. [Burke's Peerage]

Note John's elder brother Fulk was 3rd Baron of their father's creation. He dspm 30 Aug 1349, and technically his barony went into abeyance. Thus John was 1st Baron of a new creation, but I am still calling him 4th Baron.

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John Lestraunge [sic.], born c Easter 1322, died 12 May 1361, MP 1360, 4th Lord Strange of Blackmere. [Magna Charta Sureties]

John married Mary (Isabel) FITZALAN in 1352 in England. Mary (daughter of Richard "Copped Hat" FITZALAN and Isabel LE DESPENCER) was born about 1323 in Corfham, Shropshire, England; died on 29 Aug 1396. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• FamilySearch ID: GJJ5-Q3G
• _UID: E480EB67188745ED90C37B8B119B0D1AB380
• Alt. Birth: Abt 1332, Corfham, Shropshire, England; Alt. Birth
• Alt. Birth: Abt 1332, Of Corfham, Shropshire, England; Alt. Birth
• Alt. Death: 29 Aug 1396; Alt. Death
• Alt. Death: 29 Aug 1396; Alt. Death

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Lady Mary FitzAlan (died 29 Aug 1396), daughter of 10th/3rd Earl of Arundel. [Burke's Peerage]

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Mary (Isabel) fitz Alan, d. 29 Aug 1396; [m.] John Lestraunge [sic.], b. c Easter 1322, d. 12 May 1361, MP 1360, 4th Lord Strange of Blackmere. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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Note: In "Some corrections and additions to the Complete Peerage", www. medievalgenalogy.org.uk, it states "Mary was the daughter of Edmund, the 9th Earl of Arundel, not Richard the 10th Earl (see Arundel, vol 1, p. 244, note b)." This would also correct Burke's as well any other book that uses CP as a source.

Following is the discussion of the evidence:

CP Corrections, Volume 14, p.596 retains the identification of John Strange's wife Mary as a daughter of Richard, the 10th earl, but mentions Margaret Aston's argument, in Thomas Arundel, chart following p.436 (1967), that Mary was instead the daughter of Edmund, the 9th earl. It adds that if this were so, Mary would have been aged about 40 when her son John was born.

Margaret Aston cites two records that place Mary as a sister - not a daughter - of Richard, the 10th earl: (i) in a petition to the Pope in 1364, she calls herself "Mary la Straunge, lady of Corfham, widow, and sister of the Earl of Arundell" [Cal. Papal Petitions, 1342-1419, p.484] and (ii) in Richard's will he refers to her as his sister [Reg. Sudbury, Lambeth, f.95v, cited by Aston, loc. cit.].

A third independent piece of evidence is an agreement between the attorneys of Richard, earl of Arundel and Surrey, and the attorneys of Isabel, late the wife of John Lestrange of Blakemere, concerning Isabel's dower, which refers to this John [Mary's son] as the earl's nephew, which "agreement shall be affirmed in the king's chancery" [Cat. Ancient Deeds vol. 3, C3059: English abstract of a French original]. This agreement is undated, but was probably made soon after 28 November 1375, when an order was enrolled to the escheator in Shropshire, to take an oath from Isabel not to marry without the king's licence, and to assign her dower in the presence of Richard, earl of Arundel, or his attorneys, sending the assignment under seal to be enrolled in chancery [Cal. Close Rolls 1374-77, p.176]. A note was later added to the agreement, recording the delivery of dower by the assent of Richard, now earl of Arundel, and the other executors of Richard, the former earl [who had died in January, 1375/6]. This was perhaps in June 1376, when following Isabel's unlicenced remarriage it was ordered that she should have her dower with the "assent of Richard now earl of Arundell and other the executors of Richard late earl of Arundell" [Cal. Close Rolls 1374-77, p.378].

As to the chronology, Mary's son John Lestrange was born in the early 1350s [Complete Peerage volume 12, part 1, p. 344], while Edmund, the 9th earl of Arundel, married while a minor in 1305 and was executed in 1326. From this it appears that Mary could have been under 30 when John was born. (However, Mary's daughter Ankaret, the eventual heir, was born later, about 1361 [p.345].)