Joan (Jane) WHITNEY

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• _UID: 935D8922C5444F45B29F0E72B3456A026D6E

Joan married Roger VAUGHAN, Of Porthaml, Sir Knight in 1st Wife. Roger (son of Roger VAUGHAN, Of Tretwr, Sir Knight and Denise Verch THOMAS) was born about 1435 in Porthaml, Talgarth, Breconshire, Wales; died about 1500 in Porthaml, Talgarth, Breconshire, Wales. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Watkyn VAUGHAN, Of Porthaml, Sir Knight was born about 1471 in Porthaml, Talgarth, Breconshire, Wales; died about 1530 in Porthaml, Talgarth, Breconshire, Wales.

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• _UID: B6C62AE6CF544F89AFA743EE78F5F51A8A2F

Robert married Constance TUCHET. Constance (daughter of Sir. James TOUCHET, Baron and Eleanor De HOLAND, Baroness Of Audley) was born about 1443 in Heleigh Castle, Audley, Staffordshire, England; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Name: Constance TOUCHET
• _UID: 0C0CE74595E94405804AC38BCCB2D2279ACB

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• Baron of Audley: , Audley, Stafford, England
• Name: James 5Th Baron De Audley TOUCHET
• _UID: AB38E6EE399F4A7083003C95F309C9FB5DD4

Notes:

James Touchet, 5th Lord (Baron) Audley; Chief Justice 1423 and Chamberlain of South Wales 1438/9 and 1441, supported Henry VI in Wars of Roses. [Burke's Peerage]
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James Tuchet, Lord Audley, b. c 1398, d. 23 Sep 1459, MP 1421-1455; m. (1) c 1415 Margaret de Ros (1-8), living 1423. [Magna Charta Sureties]
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BARONY OF TUCHET (II)

BARONY OF AUDLEY (V)

JAMES (Tuchet), LORD AUDLEY, son and heir, aged ten years in 1408. He was summoned to Parliament 26 February 1420/1 to 26 May 1455, the writs being directed Jacobo de Audley. Chief Justice of South Wales 17 November 1423, Chamberlain of South Wales 11 February 1438/9, and again 24 October 1441. He distinguished himself in the wars with France, having the chief command of some forces in 1430. On 26 October 1447, he had exemption for life, as James Tuchete, Lord of Audley, from attendance in Parliament. Having raised 10,000 men on behalf of Henry VI, he was defeated and slain by the Yorkists at the battle of Blore Heath, Salop.

He married, 1stly, Margaret, da. of William (Roos), LORD Roos, by Margaret, daughter of John (ARUNDEL), LORD ARUNDEL (Papal Dispensation. 6 Kal. March 1415, to him to remain in marriage contracted but not consummated). She was living 15 Kal. September 1423. He married, 2ndly, (Papal Dispensation to remain in marriage contracted but not consummated) though related in the 3rd degree, dat. 16 Kal. March 1429/30) Eleanor, illegitimate daughter of Edmund (de Holland), 4th Earl of Kent, by Constance, widow of Thomas (le Despencer), 2nd son of 5th Lord Despencer and sometime Earl of Gloucester, daughter of Edmund (of Langley), 1st Duke of York. He died 23 September 1459, aged about 61. [Complete Peerage I:341 XIV:51, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

Baron of Audley:
2nd Baron of Audley

James married Eleanor De HOLAND, Baroness Of Audley on 14 Feb 1429 in . Eleanor (daughter of Constance PLANTAGENET, Princess Of England) was born about 1407 in Woodstock, Kent, England; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Baroness of Audley: <, Audley, Stafford, England>
• _UID: 7494FE58EF3F4ED191C6D4D7E648A9F5796A

Notes:

He [James Tuchet] married, 2ndly, (Papal Dispensation to remain in marriage contracted but not consummated) though related in the 3rd degree, dat. 16 Kal. March 1429/30) Eleanor, illegitimate daughter of Edmund (de Holland), 4th Earl of Kent, by Constance, widow of Thomas (le Despencer), 2nd son of 5th Lord Despencer and sometime Earl of Gloucester, daughter of Edmund (of Langley), 1st Duke of York. He died 23 September 1459, aged about 61. [Complete Peerage I:341 XIV:51, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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• Name: John 4Th Baron De Audley TOUCHET
• _UID: 000DE3755805465CB0C6B19F30B2235A890E

Notes:

Sir John Tuchet, b. 23 April 1371, d. 19 Dec 1408, 2nd Lord Tuchet, MP 1406-1408; m. Isabel, living 3 May 1405. [Magna Charta Sureties]

Note: I think that Burke's keeps the numbering consistant with the original Baron Audley, because they name the next generation "James Touchet/Tuchet, 5th Baron Audley", whereas MCS and some others start the numbering over when the Tuchet/Touchet family took over the Barony. I will stick with Burke's when it comes to titles.

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BARONY OF TUCHET (I)

JOHN TUCHET, son and heir, born 23 April 1371, was one of the 3 coheirs of Nicholas, Lord Audley, who died s.p. 22 July 1391. He was appointed in 1394 on a Commission of Enquiry and in 1401 was a Commissioner of Peace in Derbyshire. During the Welsh wars against Owen Glendower he was ordered to muster at Hereford, 27 August 1404 and was in the Prince of Wales's muster at Shrewsbury, 1403, with 20 squires and 10 archers. After that battle (21 July) he was appointed, 23 July 1403, with 4 others, to govern the marches towards Wales and resist Glendower; and was also Keeper of Llandovery Castle, 8 September 1403. He was summoned to Parliament on 20 October 1403, by writ directed Johanni Tochet, and from 25 August 1404 to 26 August 1407, by writs directed Johanni Tuchet, whereby he is held to have become LORD TUCHET or TOCHET. However, he was never so called but was frequently styled LORD AUDLEY in official documents. He was joint Keeper (with the Earl of Warwick) of Brecknock Castle, 24 October 1403-19 February 1403/4, and sole Keeper thereof, 14 October 1404. On 10 October 1404 he was at Coventry with 30 squires and 60 archers; and he was present at the surrender of Aberystwith, 12 September 1407. He married Elizabeth (or Isabel) and died 19 December 1408, aged 37. His widow, Elizabeth, was to be assigned dower, 3 May 1409, but nothing was done. [Complete Peerage XII/2:60-1, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

BARONY OF AUDLEY (IV)

JOHN TUCHET, great nephew and coheir, being son and heir of John Tuchet, who was son and heir of Sir John Tuchet of Markeaton, co. Derby, (slain at Rochelle, 1371), by Joan, sister of the whole blood of Nicholas, 3rd Lord Audley. He was born 23 April 1371, and was 20 years old at the death of his said great uncle, in 1391, to whom he was found one of his next heirs. He was in the Welsh wars against Glendower, and was summoned to Parliament as a Baron [LORD AUDLEY] 20 Oct 1403 to 26 Aug 1407, the writs being probably terminated in his favour; the writ was, however, directed (merely) Johanni Tuchet (LORD TUCHET?). According to modern doctrine, which was not then invented, the issue of a writ would probably be regarded as terminating the abeyance (then unknown) in the Barony of Audley. He married, Isabel, who was living June 1405. He died in December 1408, aged about 38. [Complete Peerage I:340-41 XIV:51, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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In a post to SGM, 2 Apr 2002, Douglas Richardson provides an entry from his forthcoming book "Plantagenet Ancestry" which identifies John's wife Elizabeth:

In answer to your question, the wife of John Tuchet, Knt., 4th Lord Audley, was Elizabeth Stafford, a hitherto unidentified daughter of Humphrey Stafford, Knt., of Amblecote, Bramshall, and Perton, co. Stafford, by his lst wife, Alice, daughter and heiress of John Grenville, Knt. Elizabeth Stafford has Carolingian ancestry through her paternal grandmother, Margaret (Stafford) Stafford, who was a daughter of Ralph Stafford, lst Earl of Stafford, by his lst wife, Katherine Hastang.

Complete Peerage sub Audley states that John Tuchet's wife's given was Isabel, but the records I have found of this woman all call her Elizabeth. This includes her assignment of dower and her inquisition post mortem. Exactly why the editor picked the name Isabel is a complete mystery to me.

Below please find a record of John Tuchet, Knt., and his wife, Elizabeth Stafford, which is taken from my forthcoming book, Plantagenet Ancestry, 3rd edition.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

E-mail: [email protected]

I. JOHN TUCHET, Knt., of Ashwell, Markeaton, Leegomery, etc., and Buglawton and Newhall, co. Chester, Keeper of Llandovery Castle, Keeper of Brecknock Castle, son and heir, born 23 Apr. 1371. He was co-heir in 1391 to his great-uncle, Nicholas Audley, 3rd Lord Audley, by which he inherited a 1/3 share in the Audley barony, including the Castle and lordship of Heleigh, co. Stafford, and the Castle and lordship of Newport (in Camois), co. Pembroke. He married before 1398 ELIZABETH STAFFORD, daughter of Humphrey Stafford, Knt., of Amblecote, Bramshall, and Perton, co. Stafford, by his 1st wife, Alice, daughter and heiress of John Grenville, Knt., of Southwick. They had three children, James [5th Lord Audley], Margaret (wife of John Luttrell), and Elizabeth (wife of John Baskerville, Knt., of Eardisley, co. Hereford). He was in the Welsh wars against Owen Glendower. He was summoned to Parliament on 20 Oct. 1403 by writ directed Johanni Tochet, and from 25 Aug. 1404 to 26 Aug. 1407 by writs directed Johanni Tuchet. He was frequently styled Lord Audley in official documents, although never summoned to Parliament as such. JOHN TUCHET, 4th Lord Audley, died 19 Dec. 1408. In 1409 the King requested that his widow?s brother, Humphrey Stafford the younger, deliver her son and heir to his custody. In 1436 Thomas Stawell sued Elizabeth, late the wife of John Tuchet, Knt., her son, James Tuchet, Knt., her brother, John Stafford, Bishop of Bath and Wells, and William Lee for the manors of Nether Stowey, Honeybare, etc., Somerset. She died 1446-7 (date of her Inq.p.m.).

References:

Ormerod 1 (1819): 489, 3: 23-24.
Papal Letters, 1404-1415 (1904), pg. 16.
C.P. 1 (1910): 340-341.
Col. G.D. Stawell A Quantock Family (1910), pp. 42-43.
Genealogist n.s. 36 (1920): 9-22.
Cal. Close Rolls, 1405-1419 (1931), pp. 438,483.
VCH Rutland 2 (1935): 108-109.
VCH Shropshire 8 (1968): 228-229.
C.P. 12 Pt. 2 (1959): 60-61 (sub Tuchet).
VCH Shropshire 11 (1985): 219.
Bodine (1995), pg. 31.
Genealogist n.s. 18: 26.

John married Elizabeth (Isabel) De STAFFORD before 1398. Elizabeth was born about 1375 in Amblecote, Stourbridge, Staffordshire, England; died after Jun 1405. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• _UID: E14282D9FC24495F99AC90BBB2D62753D80A

Notes:

Isabel, living 3 May 1405. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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In a post to SGM, 2 Apr 2002, Douglas Richardson provides an entry from his forthcoming book "Plantagenet Ancestry" which identifies John's wife Elizabeth:

In answer to your question, the wife of John Tuchet, Knt., 4th Lord Audley, was Elizabeth Stafford, a hitherto unidentified daughter of Humphrey Stafford, Knt., of Amblecote, Bramshall, and Perton, co. Stafford, by his lst wife, Alice, daughter and heiress of John Grenville, Knt. Elizabeth Stafford has Carolingian ancestry through her paternal grandmother, Margaret (Stafford) Stafford, who was a daughter of Ralph Stafford, lst Earl of Stafford, by his lst wife, Katherine Hastang.

Complete Peerage sub Audley states that John Tuchet's wife's given was Isabel, but the records I have found of this woman all call her Elizabeth. This includes her assignment of dower and her inquisition post mortem. Exactly why the editor picked the name Isabel is a complete mystery to me.

Below please find a record of John Tuchet, Knt., and his wife, Elizabeth Stafford, which is taken from my forthcoming book, Plantagenet Ancestry, 3rd edition.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

E-mail: [email protected]

He [John Tuchet] married before 1398 ELIZABETH STAFFORD, daughter of Humphrey Stafford, Knt., of Amblecote, Bramshall, and Perton, co. Stafford, by his 1st wife, Alice, daughter and heiress of John Grenville, Knt., of Southwick. [Douglas Richardson, "Plantagenet Ancestry"]

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• FamilySearch ID: MVWF-NZT
• _UID: 4AD9E367F5394BBBB540D611B7E27CFD8FA4

Notes:

Royal Descents states that Eleanor Holand, daughter of Conastance & Edmund, was illegitimate.