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Carney & Wehofer Family
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 Abt 1385 - Aft 1438 (~ 53 years)
Generation: 1
| 1. | Joan (Constance) De GREY was born about 1385 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales (daughter of Reginald DE GREY and Margaret De ROS); died after 28 Mar 1438. Other Events:
- _UID: AC56C628753C487B94445A61A6CD92615DDA
Notes:
Joan or Constance (dsp on or after 28 March 1438), allegedly daughter of Lord de Grey (of Ruthin?). [Burke's Peerage]
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He [Richard Lestrange] married, 1stly, after 9 October 1408, Joan alias Constance, said to be daughter of LORD DE GREY. She died on or after 28 March 1438. [Complete Peerage XII/1:355-6, XIV:596, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Died:
(Dsp)
Joan married Richard 7Th Baron Le STRANGE, Of Knockyn, Sir after 9 Oct 1408 in 1st Wife. Richard was born on 1 Aug 1381 in London, Middlesexshire, England; died on 9 Aug 1449 in Knockin, Oswestry, Shropshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
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Generation: 2
| 2. | Reginald DE GREY was born in 1362 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales (son of Sir Reginald DE GREY and Eleanor (Alianore) Le STRANGE); died on 18 Oct 1440 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales. Other Events:
- _UID: 096EE4DFA77E4F2DAA10319BAC58A30D15AE
Reginald married Margaret De ROS about 25 Nov 1378 in Helmsley Castle, North Riding Yorkshire, England. Margaret (daughter of Sir Thomas DE ROOS and Beatrice DE STAFFORD) was born in 1361 in Helmsley Castle, North Riding Yorkshire, England; died before 1414 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
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| 3. | Margaret De ROS was born in 1361 in Helmsley Castle, North Riding Yorkshire, England (daughter of Sir Thomas DE ROOS and Beatrice DE STAFFORD); died before 1414 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales. Other Events:
- _UID: A9B96A367A2E4277AD28B9D323F6BFBE5A05
Children:
- 1. Joan (Constance) De GREY was born about 1385 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales; died after 28 Mar 1438.
- Sir John De GREY was born in 1387 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales; died on 27 Aug 1439 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales (Dvp).
- Margaret De GREY was born in 1395 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales; died after 15 May 1426; was buried after 15 May 1426.
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Generation: 3
| 5. | Eleanor (Alianore) Le STRANGE was born in 1338 in Blakemere, Weobley, Herefordshire, England (daughter of John STRANGE, VI and Ankaret Le BOTELER); died on 20 Apr 1396. Other Events:
- _UID: 9DA9E6E4D4EC4560B1682D8B3136BCF35CFB
Notes:
Ancestral Roots states that Alianore's parents are Roger II 5th Baron le Strange of Knockyn and his wife Aline FitzAlan. The following post by Douglas Richardson to SGM, 8 Sep 2002, indicates different parents for Eleanor/Alianore:
From: Douglas Richardson ([email protected])
Subject: New Henry II descent for Eleanor le Strange, wife of Reynold de Grey, 2nd Lord Grey of Ruthin
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-09-08 09:06:15 PST
Dear Chris ~
The deposition dated 1408 cited by C.P. 14 sounds like good evidence to me for the identification of the parentage of Eleanor le Strange, wife of Reynold de Grey, 2nd Lord Grey of Ruthin. Eleanor died in 1396, so the deposition is almost contemporary with her lifetime. This correction would make Eleanor le Strange the daughter of John le Strange, 2nd Lord Strange of Blackmere (died 1349), by his wife, Ankaret le Boteler. If so, she would have the following all new descent from King Henry II as follows:
HENRY II, King of England, by a mistress, IDA _____.
WILLIAM LONGESP?E, Earl of Salisbury, married ELA OF SALISBURY.
IDA LONGESP?E, married WALTER FITZ ROBERT, Knt., Baron of Little Dunmow, Essex.
ELA FITZ WALTER, married WILLIAM DE ODDINGSELES, Knt., of Solihull, co. Warwick.
IDA DE ODDINGSELES, married ROGER DE HERDEBURGH, Knt., of Prilleston, Norfolk [see CLINTON 12].
ELA DE HERDEBURGH, married WILLIAM LE BOTELER, 1st Lord Boteler of Wem.
ANKARET LE BOTELER, married JOHN LE STRANGE, 2nd Lord Strange of Blackmere.
ELEANOR LE STRANGE, married Reynold de Grey, 2nd Lord Grey of Ruthin.
The above royal descent goes through the new Herdeburgh-Oddingseles connection, which matter was discussed in several posts this past year on the newsgroup.
The above arrangement assumes that Ida Longespee, wife of Walter Fitz Robert, was the second daughter of that name of William Longespee, Earl of Salisbury. To verify that this Ida Longespee belongs in that generation, this past week I checked the chronology of the family of William de Oddingseles, Knt., who married Ida Longespee's daughter, Ela Fitz Walter. My investigation indicates that William de Oddingseles was born say 1230/5, which date is entirely compatible with William's wife, Ela Fitz Walter, being a granddaughter of William Longespee, Earl of Salisbury, and his wife, Ela of Salisbury, as above. Research indicates that William de Oddingseles' father, William, Sr., and uncle, Gerard, both were of full age before 1239. William, Sr., and Gerard's parents, Hugh de Oddingseles and Basile de Limesey, in turn were evidently married about 1200. For my prior statement that there were two Ida Longespee's in the same generation, please see the archives.
Note: I have the Ida Longespee mentioned above as a daughter of William II de Longespee (William's son), based on a suggestion by Ancestral Roots. While not impossible, it is very unusualy to have two daughters named Ida by the same husband and wife.
Children:
- Aleanore DE GREY was born in 1358; and died.
- 2. Reginald DE GREY was born in 1362 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales; died on 18 Oct 1440 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales.
- John DE GREY was born in 1364; and died.
- Ida De GREY was born about 1368 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales; died on 1 Jun 1426.
- Edith DE GREY was born in 1368; and died.
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| 7. | Beatrice DE STAFFORD and died. Other Events:
- _UID: 300499D1B78E456394E0225EF1459871BEA8
Notes:
Married:
NOTE MARRIED
Children:
- 3. Margaret De ROS was born in 1361 in Helmsley Castle, North Riding Yorkshire, England; died before 1414 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales.
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Generation: 4
| 10. | John STRANGE, VI was born on 25 Jan 1305-1306 in Blakemere, Weobley, Herefordshire, England (son of Fulk 1St Baron Le STRANGE, Of Blackmere, Sir and Eleanor GIFFARD); died on 21 Jul 1349 in Whitchurch, Shropshire, England. Other Events:
- MilitaryService: ; served in the Scotch and French wars
- Name: John LE STRANGE
- _UID: F0566FF9ABDF428F8B3653AA0B78E2E9154C
- Title (Nobility): 1324; 2nd Baron Strange of Blackmere (succeeded his father Fulk upon his death)
- Title (Nobility): 1324; Lord Strange (succeeded his father Fulk upon his death)
- Occupation: 1330; Governor of Conway
- MilitaryService: 1346; Sir Knight Banneret at the battles of Crezy and Calais
Notes:
John Lestrange, 2nd Lord (Baron) Strange (of Blackmere), JP (Salop 1332); fought at Crecy 1346; married as her 1st husband Ankaret (married 2nd Sir Thomas de Ferrers and died 8 Oct 1361), daughter of William Boteler, of Wem, Salop, and died 21 July 1349. [Burke's Peerage]
John Lestrange, 2nd Lord Strange (of Blackmere) was born circa 1306.
He was the son of Fulk Lestrange, 1st Lord Strange (of Blackmere) and Eleanor Giffard.
He married Ankaret Boteler, daughter of William Boteler.
He succeeded as the 2nd Lord Strange, of Blackmere [E., 1309] on 23 January 1323/24.
He held the office of Justice of the Peace (J.P.) for Shropshire in 1332.
He fought in the Battle of Cr?cy in 1346.
He died on 21 July 1349.
Children of John Lestrange, 2nd Lord Strange (of Blackmere) and Ankaret Boteler
1. Fulk Lestrange, 3rd Lord Strange (of Blackmere) b. c 1330, d. 30 Aug 1349
2. John Lestrange, 1st Lord Strange (of Blackmere) b. c 1332, d. 12 May 1361
http://www.thepeerage.com/p23461.htm#i234606
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Documentary sources indicate that a manor house belonging to the Le Strange family existed here in the 12th century. It passed to the Talbots in the 14th century, and in 1383 was the birthplace of John Talbot, the first Earl of Shrewsbury. The Talbot family sold the manor in 1590 and by the end of the following century the house was in ruins. Source is:
www.gatehouse-gazetteer.info/English%20sites/3059.html
Blackmere was a 12th Century Manor in Whitchurch, Shropshire the seat of Le Strange of Blackmere. Source is Le Strange Records, Pedigree No. VIII - Le Strange of Blackmere.
John married Ankaret Le BOTELER in 1st Husband 1St Wife. Ankaret was born about 1306 in Wem, Shropshire, England; died on 8 Oct 1361. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
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| 11. | Ankaret Le BOTELER was born about 1306 in Wem, Shropshire, England; died on 8 Oct 1361. Other Events:
- _UID: 41751C8D09B84C129CBA98E4E53858D69B46
Notes:
Ankaret (married 2nd Sir Thomas de Ferrers and died 8 Oct 1361), daughter of William Boteler, of Wem, Salop. [Burke's Peerage]
Children:
- John 4Th Baron Le STRANGE, Of Blackmere, Sir was born about Apr 1322 in Whitchurch, Shropshire, England; died on 12 May 1361 in Blakemere, Weobley, Herefordshire, England.
- Isabel LE STRANGE was born in 1324 in Knockin in Oswestry, Shropshire, England; died in 1366 in Austria, Hungary; was buried between 1374 in Austria.
- Fulk Le STRANGE, Of Whitchurch was born on 2 Feb 1330-1331 in Whitchurch, Shropshire, England; died on 6 Sep 1349.
- Matilda Le STRANGE was born about 1333 in Blakemere, Weobley, Herefordshire, England; and died.
- Hamon LE STRANGE was born about 1335 in Whitchurch, Shropshire, England; died after 1381.
- Elizabeth LE STRANGE was born in 1336 in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England; and died.
- 5. Eleanor (Alianore) Le STRANGE was born in 1338 in Blakemere, Weobley, Herefordshire, England; died on 20 Apr 1396.
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