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Carney & Wehofer Family
Genealogy Pages
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 Abt 1384 - 1438 (~ 54 years)
Generation: 1
| 1. | John STOURTON, Of Preston was born about 1384 in Preston Plucknett, Yeovil, Somerset, England (son of John De STOURTON, Of Preston, Sir Knight and Jane BASSET); died on 10 Nov 1438. Other Events:
- _UID: 3C290EF66A014DC0867A839C222DDCEA1583
Notes:
I think that John has too many wives. The only one that I have a good source for is Katherine Payne, who CP says is the 3rd wife; but there are 3 others that look like they preceded her. Maybe one was a mistake, or was a mistress?
John married Joan BANASTRE in 1st Wife?. Joan was born about 1385 in Wheathill, Wincanton, Somerset, England; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
Children:
- Cecily STOURTON was born about 1402 in Preston Plucknett, Yeovil, Somerset, England; died on 19 Apr 1472.
John married Margaret HOLLAND in 1404 in No Marriage ?. Margaret was born about 1385; died before 1417. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
John married Alice DENNIS in 1417 in 2ND Wife ?. Alice was born about 1387 in Kent, Jefferson County, Indiana; died before 1431. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
John married Katherine PAYNE before 1431 in Of Devonshire, England. Katherine was born about 1407 in Paynshay, Devonshire, England; died in 1473. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
Children:
- Johanna STURTON was born about 1424 in Preston, Somerset, England; died in 1473.
- Alice STOURTON was born before 1432 in Preston Plucknett, Yeovil, Somerset, England; and died.
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Generation: 2
| 2. | John De STOURTON, Of Preston, Sir Knight was born after 1361 in Stourton With Gasper, Mere, Wiltshire, England; died in 1405 in Preston Plucknett, Yeovil, Somerset, England. Other Events:
- _UID: 3B1B8DF3F4664FF495FED5B02C2F1D6669B3
Notes:
I have sources for John de Stourton (as father of Esther/Edith, no parentage indicated), who I assume to be this John, who CP [vol XII/1:300 note (h)] indicates is "of Preston Plucknett", being the younger son of John of Stourton. I think that there were many John de Stourtons, which makes it confusing as to how many there were in a row, and who was married to which wife. His marriages to Jane Basset and Catherine Beaumont are taken from World Connect/LDS sources. His son John is sourced as "of Preston Plucknett" and father of Alice. There is no source connecting John with his son John, except that it is pretty obvious because both are of Preston Plucknett.
The elder son William (of John & Lettice) held Stourton with a descendancy that goes into the 1960's, while this John, his younger brother, was ancestor of the Stourtons of Preston, which his father John acquired in 1380 (source - CP).
John married Jane BASSET in 1st Wife. Jane (daughter of Ralph 1St Baron BASSET, Of Sapcote, Sir and Alice De DRIBY) was born about 1368 in Glastonbury, Wells, Somerset, England; died before 1394. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
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| 3. | Jane BASSET was born about 1368 in Glastonbury, Wells, Somerset, England (daughter of Ralph 1St Baron BASSET, Of Sapcote, Sir and Alice De DRIBY); died before 1394. Other Events:
- _UID: 2DFA5093182F484FAFD6484C87CEC0F1077E
Notes:
Many people have Jane as daughter of Ralph of Drayton by Joan de Beauchamp, but he dvp, as indicated by his will (source: CP - see Ralph 3rd Baron Basset, of Drayton's entry in my files). Also indicated by his heirs is that Ralph had only one sister (Isabel, who may have been a full or half sister); so Jane is also not a daughter of the prior generation (Ralph of Drayton & Alice Audley).
I see by the soc.genealogy.medieval that at least one person (Sid Telford) has Jane as daughter of Ralph Basset of Sapcote by Alice Driby. The dates would support such a pedigree; although the Complete Peerage mentions no daughter named Jane for Ralph of Sapcote, who died without male heir, but I find it easier to conceive of "missing" a daughter when one has at least two, than to "miss" a daughter when indications are that you had no heirs/children.
I have found no written source for Jane, although I find a hint that "Magna Charta Barons" and "Burke's Extinct Peerage" might have indicated Jane was daughter of Ralph of Drayton & Joan de Beauchamp (which may be the source of the numerous people who have the pedigree that way). One of the hints is from Dave Utzinger, which has "MCB" as the source for Jane being daughter of Ralph & Joan. Dave sent an e-mail to soc.genalogy.medieval in 1998 indicating Jane was daughter of Ralph & Joan, however he has since removed Jane from that relationship.
Of course Jane could be an illegitimate child; but I will place her as daughter of Ralph of Sapcote until more information arises.
Most people give Jane a birth year of 1378, with a son John b. 1384 (mother at the age of 6!). Some have 1368, which seems reasonable. Also her son John might have been born later than 1384.
Children:
- 1. John STOURTON, Of Preston was born about 1384 in Preston Plucknett, Yeovil, Somerset, England; died on 10 Nov 1438.
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Generation: 3
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| 6. | Ralph 1St Baron BASSET, Of Sapcote, Sir was born about 1329 in Sapcote, Hinckley, Leicestershire, England (son of Ralph BASSET, Of Sapcote, Sir and Sibyl ASTLEY); died on 17 Jul 1378 in Bytham Castle, Bourne, Lincolnshire, England (Dspm). Other Events:
- _UID: BB8953C003F14FC9B8A1032EF4D4260CE76A
Notes:
BARONY of BASSET (of Sapcote) (I)
RALPH BASSET, son and heir, under age in 1330. In July 1369, being then aged over 40, he became, by the death of his cousin, Robert, Lord Colvill one of the two coheirs of the estates and Barony of that family, inheriting the Castle and Honour of Bytham, co. Lincoln, Thornton Steward, co. York, &C. In consequence, doubtless, of these acquisitions, he was summoned to Parliament 8 January 1370/1 and 6 October 1372, by writs directed Radulfo Basset de Sapcote, whereby he is held to have become LORD BASSET. He fought in the French wars and was one of the heroes of Crecy.
He married 1stly, about 1346, Sibyl, sister of Thomas ASTLEY [3rd LORD ASTLEY], and daughter of Sir Giles Astley, by Alice, 2nd daughter and coheir of Sir Thomas DE WOLVEY. He married, 2ndly, Alice, daughter of John DERBY. He died s.p.m., 17 July 1378, when the Barony fell (according to modern doctrine) into abeyance between his two daughters and coheirs. Will, as Ralph Basset, knight, Lord of Sapcote, directing his burial to be at Castle Bytham, dated there the Monday after the Ascension I I May 1377, proved at Lincoln. His widow, who married Sir Robert TUCHET, and afterwards Sir Anketine MALLORY, died a widow, 12 October 1412, and was buried at Stamford, near her last husband. [Complete Peerage II:7-8, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Note: I disagree with CP in this situation. Due to the fact that Sibyl was born before 1317 (and probably earlier), I think that Sibyl and Ralph were the mother and father of this Ralph, and were born well before 1346.
Ralph married Alice De DRIBY about 1365 in 2ND Husband, 2ND Wife. Alice was born about 1340 in Wokefield, Stratfield Mortimer, Berkshire, England; died on 12 Oct 1412 in Stamford, Lincolnshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
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| 7. | Alice De DRIBY was born about 1340 in Wokefield, Stratfield Mortimer, Berkshire, England; died on 12 Oct 1412 in Stamford, Lincolnshire, England. Other Events:
- _UID: 602334FE0BB442F0BA178C118B52FBF1DD26
Notes:
Alice de Driby, b. c 1340, d. 12 Oct 1412, will as Alicia Basset de Bytham, Apr 1412, probated 26 Oct 1412, Inq.p.m. 1413 #15; m. (1) Sir Ralph Basset, Lord Basset of Sapcote, d. 17 July 1378, issue; m. (2) Sir Robert Tochet, no issue; m. (3) Sir Anketil Mallory, Knight, of Kirkby Mallory, co. Leics, d. 26 Mar 1393 (Order of 1st two marriages uncertain). [Ancestral Roots]
Note: Even if the 1st two marriages were reversed, Sir Ralph Basset didn't die until 1378, and Alice had Sir William, b. c 1375 with Anketil Mallory. It doesn't quite make sense. Probably her son William wasn't born until after 1380.
Note: Paul C. Reed, in a posting to soc.genealogy.medieval 25 Jan 2002, states that the order is reversed for the 1st two marriages: (1) Robert Tuchet, (2) Ralph Basset, (3) Anketil Mallory.
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He [Ralph Basset] married, 2ndly, Alice, daughter of John DERBY. He died s.p.m., 17 July 1378, when the Barony fell (according to modern doctrine) into abeyance between his two daughters and coheirs. Will, as Ralph Basset, knight, Lord of Sapcote, directing his burial to be at Castle Bytham, dated there the Monday after the Ascension I I May 1377, proved at Lincoln. His widow, who married Sir Robert TUCHET, and afterwards Sir Anketine MALLORY, died a widow, 12 October 1412, and was buried at Stamford, near her last husband. [Complete Peerage II:7-8, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Children:
- 3. Jane BASSET was born about 1368 in Glastonbury, Wells, Somerset, England; died before 1394.
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Generation: 4
| 12. | Ralph BASSET, Of Sapcote, Sir was born about 1310 in Sapcote, Hinckley, Leicestershire, England (son of Simon BASSET, Of Sapcote, Sir and Isabel BOTELER); and died. Other Events:
- _UID: 3CA7BFFB1B8A4D4C81866B95DDC5C283C981
Notes:
The Complete Peerage does not have this Ralph in its ancestry. They claim that the Ralph, b. 1329, married as his 1st wife, abt 1346, Sybil Astley, daughter of Giles Astley, who d. 1316. At best you would have a 17 year old boy marrying a 30+ (most likely 35-40) year old woman; not very likely at all. Therefore I envision two generations where CP has one. I believe that this Ralph m. (long before 1346, which is when CP says the marriage took place) Sybil Astley and had the Ralph who was a minor in 1349.
Of course Ralph could have been born as early as 1310, married Sybil for the 1st time at age 36 (1346) and married again at 51 (1361) and had children. I think that genealogy, even the well respected sources, are too full of really old men having children. It seems to be the rule rather than the exception. The average life expectancy in the middle ages was in the mid to lower 40's which was considered old age. While men can have children in their 80's, I think it is the exception rather than the rule for men after the age of 50 having children.
Ralph married Sibyl ASTLEY. Sibyl was born about 1310 in Astley, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, England; died before 1360. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
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| 13. | Sibyl ASTLEY was born about 1310 in Astley, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, England; died before 1360. Other Events:
- _UID: 50F2C56903994459990E485687083CAB64A8
Notes:
He [Ralph Basset] married 1stly, about 1346, Sibyl, sister of Thomas ASTLEY [3rd LORD ASTLEY], and daughter of Sir Giles Astley, by Alice, 2nd daughter and coheir of Sir Thomas DE WOLVEY. [Complete Peerage II:7-8, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Note: As I stated in the notes under Ralph: I have a different, younger Ralph marrying Sibyl at a much earlier date than CP does. Sibyl had to be born bef. 1317 because her father died in 1316. I don't think she m. for the 1st time in 1346, nor do I think Ralph, born about the same time, would wait so long either.
Children:
- 6. Ralph 1St Baron BASSET, Of Sapcote, Sir was born about 1329 in Sapcote, Hinckley, Leicestershire, England; died on 17 Jul 1378 in Bytham Castle, Bourne, Lincolnshire, England (Dspm).
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Children:
- 7. Alice De DRIBY was born about 1340 in Wokefield, Stratfield Mortimer, Berkshire, England; died on 12 Oct 1412 in Stamford, Lincolnshire, England.
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