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Carney & Wehofer Family
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 1414 - Yes, date unknown
Generation: 1
Generation: 2
| 2. | Sir John De GREY was born in 1387 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales (son of Reginald DE GREY and Margaret De ROS); died on 27 Aug 1439 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales (Dvp). Other Events:
- _UID: 7EE5BD3575A94E30BE3D37A9D12FC7E97C47
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John (Sir), KG (1436); served in Agincourt Campaign 1415. [Burke's Peerage]
John married Lady Constance De HOLLAND before 24 Feb 1412-1413. Constance (daughter of John HOLLAND and Elizabeth Of Lancaster) was born in 1387 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales; died on 14 Nov 1437 in St Catherines, London, Middlesex, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
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Generation: 3
| 4. | Reginald DE GREY was born in 1362 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales (son of Sir Reginald DE GREY and Eleanor (Alianore) Le STRANGE); died on 18 Oct 1440 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales. Other Events:
- _UID: 096EE4DFA77E4F2DAA10319BAC58A30D15AE
Reginald married Margaret De ROS about 25 Nov 1378 in Helmsley Castle, North Riding Yorkshire, England. Margaret (daughter of Sir Thomas DE ROOS and Beatrice DE STAFFORD) was born in 1361 in Helmsley Castle, North Riding Yorkshire, England; died before 1414 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
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| 5. | Margaret De ROS was born in 1361 in Helmsley Castle, North Riding Yorkshire, England (daughter of Sir Thomas DE ROOS and Beatrice DE STAFFORD); died before 1414 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales. Other Events:
- _UID: A9B96A367A2E4277AD28B9D323F6BFBE5A05
Children:
- Joan (Constance) De GREY was born about 1385 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales; died after 28 Mar 1438.
- 2. Sir John De GREY was born in 1387 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales; died on 27 Aug 1439 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales (Dvp).
- Margaret De GREY was born in 1395 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales; died after 15 May 1426; was buried after 15 May 1426.
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| 7. | Elizabeth Of Lancaster and died. Other Events:
- _UID: EC33EF3885044854A31A51E4F98B3EDDFCD9
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Married:
NOTE MARRIED
Children:
- 3. Lady Constance De HOLLAND was born in 1387 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales; died on 14 Nov 1437 in St Catherines, London, Middlesex, England.
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Generation: 4
| 9. | Eleanor (Alianore) Le STRANGE was born in 1338 in Blakemere, Weobley, Herefordshire, England (daughter of John STRANGE, VI and Ankaret Le BOTELER); died on 20 Apr 1396. Other Events:
- _UID: 9DA9E6E4D4EC4560B1682D8B3136BCF35CFB
Notes:
Ancestral Roots states that Alianore's parents are Roger II 5th Baron le Strange of Knockyn and his wife Aline FitzAlan. The following post by Douglas Richardson to SGM, 8 Sep 2002, indicates different parents for Eleanor/Alianore:
From: Douglas Richardson ([email protected])
Subject: New Henry II descent for Eleanor le Strange, wife of Reynold de Grey, 2nd Lord Grey of Ruthin
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-09-08 09:06:15 PST
Dear Chris ~
The deposition dated 1408 cited by C.P. 14 sounds like good evidence to me for the identification of the parentage of Eleanor le Strange, wife of Reynold de Grey, 2nd Lord Grey of Ruthin. Eleanor died in 1396, so the deposition is almost contemporary with her lifetime. This correction would make Eleanor le Strange the daughter of John le Strange, 2nd Lord Strange of Blackmere (died 1349), by his wife, Ankaret le Boteler. If so, she would have the following all new descent from King Henry II as follows:
HENRY II, King of England, by a mistress, IDA _____.
WILLIAM LONGESP?E, Earl of Salisbury, married ELA OF SALISBURY.
IDA LONGESP?E, married WALTER FITZ ROBERT, Knt., Baron of Little Dunmow, Essex.
ELA FITZ WALTER, married WILLIAM DE ODDINGSELES, Knt., of Solihull, co. Warwick.
IDA DE ODDINGSELES, married ROGER DE HERDEBURGH, Knt., of Prilleston, Norfolk [see CLINTON 12].
ELA DE HERDEBURGH, married WILLIAM LE BOTELER, 1st Lord Boteler of Wem.
ANKARET LE BOTELER, married JOHN LE STRANGE, 2nd Lord Strange of Blackmere.
ELEANOR LE STRANGE, married Reynold de Grey, 2nd Lord Grey of Ruthin.
The above royal descent goes through the new Herdeburgh-Oddingseles connection, which matter was discussed in several posts this past year on the newsgroup.
The above arrangement assumes that Ida Longespee, wife of Walter Fitz Robert, was the second daughter of that name of William Longespee, Earl of Salisbury. To verify that this Ida Longespee belongs in that generation, this past week I checked the chronology of the family of William de Oddingseles, Knt., who married Ida Longespee's daughter, Ela Fitz Walter. My investigation indicates that William de Oddingseles was born say 1230/5, which date is entirely compatible with William's wife, Ela Fitz Walter, being a granddaughter of William Longespee, Earl of Salisbury, and his wife, Ela of Salisbury, as above. Research indicates that William de Oddingseles' father, William, Sr., and uncle, Gerard, both were of full age before 1239. William, Sr., and Gerard's parents, Hugh de Oddingseles and Basile de Limesey, in turn were evidently married about 1200. For my prior statement that there were two Ida Longespee's in the same generation, please see the archives.
Note: I have the Ida Longespee mentioned above as a daughter of William II de Longespee (William's son), based on a suggestion by Ancestral Roots. While not impossible, it is very unusualy to have two daughters named Ida by the same husband and wife.
Children:
- Aleanore DE GREY was born in 1358; and died.
- 4. Reginald DE GREY was born in 1362 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales; died on 18 Oct 1440 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales.
- John DE GREY was born in 1364; and died.
- Ida De GREY was born about 1368 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales; died on 1 Jun 1426.
- Edith DE GREY was born in 1368; and died.
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| 11. | Beatrice DE STAFFORD and died. Other Events:
- _UID: 300499D1B78E456394E0225EF1459871BEA8
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Married:
NOTE MARRIED
Children:
- 5. Margaret De ROS was born in 1361 in Helmsley Castle, North Riding Yorkshire, England; died before 1414 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales.
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