Alice TRAFFORD

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• FamilySearch ID: GZX1-PXZ

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• FamilySearch ID: GQKY-ZLV
• Title (Nobility): ; Sir Knight
• TitleOfNobility: ; Lord of Trafford
• Name: Edmind
• Name: Edmond TRAFFORD
• Name: Edmundi

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About Sir Edmund Trafford, Kt.
'A genealogical and heraldic history of the commoners of Great ..., Volume 4
http://books.google.com/books?id=KikAAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA401&lpg=PA401&dq...
Pg. 248
' EDMOND TRAFFORD, who was knighted by HENRY VI. at Whitsuntide, in 1426. He m. Alice, eldest daughter and co-heir of Sir William Venable, knight of Bolyn, by Joan, his wife, daughter of John Massey, of Tatton, and had issue,
JOHN, (Sir) his heir.
Joan, m. first, in 1429, to James Byron, grandson of Sir John Byron, and secondly, in 1443, to William, son and heir of Sir Alexander Radcliffe, of Ordsall.
Dulcia, m. in 1438, to Sir John Ashton, of Ashton.
'Sir Edmond lived until 1457, when he was s. by his son,
SIR JOHN TRAFFORD, knighted about the year 1444, who m. Elizabeth, daughter of Sir Thomas Ashton, knight, of Ashton, and had issue, ....
Sir John died in 1488, and was s. by his son.
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'Sir Edmond Trafford1
'M, #368929, d. 1457
Last Edited=19 Jun 2009
' Sir Edmond Trafford was the son of Henry de Trafford and Elizabeth Radcliffe.2 He married Alice Venables, daughter of Sir William Venables.1 He died in 1457.1
' He lived at Trafford, Lancashire, England.1 He was invested as a Knight in 1426.1
'Child of Sir Edmond Trafford and Alice Venables
1.Sir John Trafford+2 d. 1488
Citations
1.[S37] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes (Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A.: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003), volume 1, page 1114. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition.
2.[S37] Charles Mosley, Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition.
From: http://www.thepeerage.com/p36893.htm#i368929
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ID: I234221
Name: Sir Edmund [@] de Trafford
Sex: M
Birth: ABT 1390 in Trafford, Lancashire, England
Death: 1457
Father: Henry [@] de Trafford b: 1381 in Trafford, Lancashire, England

Mother: Elizabeth [@] de Radcliffe b: ABT 1374 in Smithills, Bolton, Lancashire, England

Marriage 1 Alice [@] de Venables b: 1398 in Bollin Fee, Wilmslow (Le Bolyn), Cheshire, England

Children

1. Has Children Sir John [@] de Trafford b: ABT 1420 in Trafford, Lancashire, England
2. Has No Children Elizabeth [@] de Trafford b: ABT 1420 in Trafford, Lancashire, England
3. Has Children Jane [@] de Trafford b: 1427 in Trafford, Lancashire, England
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Edmund married Alice DE VENABLES on 3 May 1419 in Cheshire, England. Alice (daughter of William Richard DE VENABLES, of Bollen and Johanna Joan DE MASSEY) was born on 1 Nov 1398 in Bolin Fee, Wilmslow, Cheshire, England, UK; died on 23 Sep 1463 in Trafford Manor, Lancashire, England, UK; was buried in Saint Bartholomew Churchyard, Wilmslow, Cheshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• FamilySearch ID: GZFM-MN5
• Name: Alice VENABLES

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Sources for Death
GenealogieOnline Family Tree Index - supports First Name (Alice), Birth Surname (Venables), Date of Birth (Nov 1 1398), Place of Birth (Bollin Fee, Wilmslow, Cheshire, England), Date of Death (Sep 23 1463), Place of Death (England), Son (John Trafford), Husband (Edmund Trafford), and Father (William Venables)
GenealogieOnline Family Tree Index - supports First Name (Alice), Birth Surname (Venables), Date of Birth (1389), Place of Birth (Cheshire, England), Date of Death (1450), and Husband (Sir Edmond Trafford)
GenealogieOnline Family Tree Index - supports First Name (Alice), Birth Surname (Venables), Date of Birth (1398), Date of Death (Sep 23 1463), Son (Sir John Trafford), Husband (Sir Edmund Trafford), and Father (Sir William of Bollin Venables)
Sources for Relationships
GenealogieOnline Family Tree Index - supports First Name (Alice), Birth Surname (Venables), Date of Birth (Nov 1 1398), Place of Birth (Bollin Fee, Wilmslow, Cheshire, England), Date of Death (Sep 23 1463), Place of Death (England), Son (John Trafford), Husband (Edmund Trafford), and Father (William Venables)
GenealogieOnline Family Tree Index - supports First Name (Alice), Birth Surname (Venables), Date of Birth (1398), Place of Birth (Bolyn, Cheshire, England), Husband (Edmond Trafford), Mother (Joan Massey), Father (Sir William Venables), and Sister (Dulcia Or Douce Venables)
GenealogieOnline Family Tree Index - supports First Name (Alice), Birth Surname (Venables), Date of Birth (1389), Place of Birth (Cheshire, England), Date of Death (1450), and Husband (Sir Edmond Trafford)
GenealogieOnline Family Tree Index - supports First Name (Alice), Birth Surname (Venables), Date of Birth (1398), Date of Death (Sep 23 1463), Son (Sir John Trafford), Husband (Sir Edmund Trafford), and Father (Sir William of Bollin Venables)
GenealogieOnline Family Tree Index - supports Daughter (Elizabeth de Trafford), Wife (Alice Venables), and Husband (Edmund de Trafford)
Alice Trafford (Venables)
Also Known As:"Anne"
Birthdate:November 01, 1398
Birthplace:Bollin Fee, Wilmslow, Cheshire, England (United Kingdom)
Death:September 23, 1463 (64)
England (United Kingdom)
Immediate Family:
Daughter of Sir William de Venables and Joan de Venables
Wife of Sir Edmund Trafford, Kt.
Mother of Dulcia Assheton; Sir John Trafford, Kt.; Elizabeth Legh and Joanne Radcliffe
Sister of Richard Venables; Dulcia Booth; Agnes Venables and Margery Venables

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• FamilySearch ID: LVV3-L2R
• TitleOfNobility: ; Sir
• Name: Henry TRAFFORD
• Occupation: ; Esquire

Henry married Elizabeth DE RADCLIFFE. Elizabeth (daughter of Ralph RADCLIFFE and Marjory INCE) was born in 1370 in Bolton, Lancashire, England; died in 1432 in Manchester, Lancashire, England; was buried in 1432 in St. Michael's Chapel, Lancaster, Lancashire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• FamilySearch ID: GZ8B-C3V
• Name: Elizabeth RADCLIFFE

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• FamilySearch ID: LC5T-MFD
• Title (Nobility): ; 9th Baron of Kinderton
• Title (Nobility): ; Sir Knight
• TitleOfNobility: ; Sir Knight
• Name: Willem
• Name: William VENABLES

William married Johanna Joan DE MASSEY on 8 Nov 1396 in Burton, Cheshire, England. Johanna (daughter of Baron John DE MASSEY and Alice WORSLEY) was born in 1375 in Tatton, Cheshire, England; died in 1420 in Cheshire, England; was buried in 1420 in Cheshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• FamilySearch ID: KHP9-R4D
• Name: Joan MASSEY

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• FamilySearch ID: LYCD-LZ8
• Title (Nobility): ; Sir Knight
• Name: Henry TRAFFORD

Henry married Margaret INCE on 29 Sep 1350 in Cheshire, England. Margaret (daughter of Robert INCE and Margery DE TRAFFORD) was born in 1330 in Wigan, Lancashire, England; died on 17 Jan 1416 in Trafford Manor, Lancashire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• FamilySearch ID: K1T8-KNZ
• Title (Nobility): ; Baroness of Trafford

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Marjorie Ince
Gender:Female
Birth:circa 1330
Ince in Makerfield, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Death:January 17, 1417 (83-91)
Trafford, Lancashire, England
Immediate Family:
Daughter of Robert de Ince, II and (Given Name Unknown) de Ince (Birth Surname Unknown)
Wife of Sir Henry Trafford, Kt. and Sir Ralph Radcliffe, Knt., of Blackburn and Smithills, MP
Mother of Robert de Trafford; Lady Joanna (Boothe) Trafford; Henry Trafford; John Trafford; Margaret (Trafford) Radcliffe; Peter Trafford; Richard Trafford; Isabel Worsley and Thomas Trafford ? less
Sister of Richard de Ince

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• FamilySearch ID: GNCY-VBK
• LifeSketch: ; Married 3 times. Spouse#1- Ellen Massey born 1358 Chesire Eng, Spouse#2- Margory Ince born 1339, and Spouse #3- Katherine Molyeaux. Her second is John Stanhope b)1413
• TitleOfNobility: ; Sir Ralph Radcliff

Ralph married Marjory INCE. Marjory and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• FamilySearch ID: GFW5-5N1

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• FamilySearch ID: 94VG-S6Q
• Title (Nobility): ; 10th Baron of Kinderton
• Occupation: 27 Oct 1377; High Sheriff of Cheshire

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Hugh de Venables, (son of Sir Hugh de Venables, Baron of Kinderton by his 2nd wife, Katherine Houghton) succeeded his father as baron of Kinderton and was sheriff in 1378, died 6 Ric II.

1st wife Ellen dau of Robert de Iluxlegh and had issue William and Richard who both died without issue.

2nd wife Margery, dau of Hugh de Cotton of Rudheth, 1398. In addition to sons William and Richard whom we follow below, this couple also had a son Thomas de Venables of Horton in Hartford, 2 Ric II, ancestor of the Venables of Agden and a daughter, Margery wife of Richard Bulkeley of Cheadle and afterwards of Randle Mainwaring of Peover, living 3 Hen IV.

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Hugh de Venables was born in 1330 at Kinderton, Cheshire, England.
He was the son of Hugh de Venables and Katherine de Houghton.
He died in 1383.

Child of Hugh de Venables and Margery Cotton

1.Margery Venables b. 1369

http://www.thepeerage.com/p21157.htm#i211570

Hugh married Margery COTTON, Baroness Kinderton after 1361 in Cheshire, England. Margery (daughter of Hugh DE COTTON and Isabel HEATON) was born in 1335 in Rudheath, Cheshire, England; died in 1398 in Wilbraham, Chester, Cheshire, England; was buried in 1398. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• FamilySearch ID: L85S-Z8Z
• Title (Nobility): ; Baroness Venables
• Name: Margery COTTON
• Name: Margery of Rudheath

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Biography

Margery Cotton Baroness Kinderton

Birth: circa 1345, Rudheath, Cheshire, England.

She was the daughter of Hugh de Cotton and Isabel de Heyton

Marriage
Margery married Sir Hugh de Venables, of Kinderton.

Children
1.) Richard Venables, born 1365 in Kinderton, Cheshire, England; died 1403 in Kinderton Cum Hulme, Northwich, Cheshire, England; married Isabel De Langton 1384 in Kinderton Cum Hulme, Northwich, Cheshire, England

2.) Thomas Venables, born 1368 in Kinderton, Cheshire, England

3.) Margery Venables, born 1369 in Kinderton, Cheshire, England; died 1459 in Over Peover, Cheshire, England

4.) William Venables, born 1370 in Kinderton, Cheshire, England

5.) Eva De Venables, born 1373 in Kinderton Cum Hulme, Northwich, Cheshire, England; died 1416.

6.) Angella De Venables, born 1375 in Kinderton, Cheshire, England; died 1408 in Stafford, England
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Margery Cotton: Born 1335 in Rudheath, Cheshire, England. Death: 1398 Wilbraham, Chester, England. Immediate Family:
Daughter of Hugh de Cotton, of Rudheth and Isabel (de Heaton) de Coton, Wife of Sir Hugh de Venables, of Kinderton, Mother of Angella Anyll de Venables; Sir Richard de Venables, baron of Kinderton; Eva de Venables; Joan Fouleshurst; Margery de Venables; William Venables; Alice de la Hyde and Thomas Venables, of Golborne, Knight ? less
Sister of Richard de Coton -- Per GeniWorldTree.com

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• FamilySearch ID: LCT5-W7W
• TitleOfNobility: ; Lord of Puddington
• Name: John MASSEY
• Name: John MASSEY
• Name: Mascy
• Politics: 1389, of Cheshire; Appointed Sheriff
• Politics: 1399, Chester, Cheshire; Imprisoned for supporting king Richard II
• Land grant: 16 Aug 1403, Tatton, Cheshire, England

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John de Pointington de Massey (Massey), Sir
Also Known As:"De /Pontington/", "de Massey;de Mascy;massie"
Birth circa 1365 Puddington Wirral Cheshire England Died 1404 in Shrewsbury, UK
Immediate Family:Son of Harmon De Pontington Massey and Jane De Pontington Mascy
Husband of Johanna Massey Father of Hamon 1373 Massey; Richard De Massey; Anne Massey; William 1379 de Pointington Massey; John 1385 Massey and 4 others
Brother of Hugh Massey; Mathilde MASSIE; Richard De Massey; Katherine Massie and Ellen Chadderton




http://masseyfamgenealogy.tripod.com/a21.htm#i1477: John De Pontington & Johanna De Coghall Massey were married between 1383 and 1385 in England.

John De Pontington Massey , son of Hamon De Pontington Massey and Jane De Timperley, was born about 1365 in England and died in 1403 in Battle Of Shrewbury, England, about age 38.

The Battle of Shrewsbury, fought on July 21st, 1403 between an army led by the Lancastrian King, Henry, IV and a rebel army led by members of the Percy family from Northumberland, is principally remembered today by many as the climax of Shakespeare's play, Henry IV part 1. The Percy forces, mostly raised from their estates in Cheshire, were believed to be aiming to join forces with a Welsh rebel force led by Owain Glyn Dwr. Shrewsbury was a principal town on the route taken by the Percy forces and was the major crossing point over the river Severn as well as a potential supply base. The royal army had to take and defend the site urgently before the Percies and Glyn Dwr could join up. Our knowledge of the battle, the battlefield and the armies is less than complete and even contemporary estimates of the numbers involved or of those slain are very much open to debate. A curious feature of the battle is that only a few years earlier it was the Percy family who had helped the King take the throne from Richard II. The Percy strongholds of the northern borders had not only made them skilled in warfare but also made them sure of their own rights, and they took grave offense when lands in Cumbria which they felt were their reward for helping the King were granted to a rival.

Early in July 1403, Sir Henry Percy rode south to his Cheshire lands with about 200 men, intending to raise a large force , including numbers of Welsh archers. By July 12th, the King was enroute to face the threat when he heard whilst at Nottingham of the Percy forces' actions. He immediately turned via Burton on Trent and Lichfield preparing to take the field wherever it became necessary. The Percy forces were somewhat deflated when the hoped for Welsh support failed to materialise and only physical and moral pressure induced many of them to stay with the army. Both armies arrived in the vicinity of Shrewsbury from opposite directions a day or so before the battle. The Percy forces encamped around Berwick to the north west of the town., while the King's forces lay in wait to the north east around Haughmond. During the night of the 20th, the royal forces began the crossing of the Severn at Uffington and took the field below Haughmond Abbey. This gave them the wider ground on which their superior numbers could be brought to best use. The Percy army was forced to take the field on unfavourable ground, and although the Percy's had greater military experience than the King, many of their troops did not. Numbers given for the combatants range from 60,000 - 14 ,000 Royalists and 20,000 - 5,000 rebels. For some hours on the morning of the 21st, the two armies faced each other out of arrowshot whilst negotiations took place to try to resolve the position. Eventually, the King seems to have decided that no solution would be reached since the Percies were either too determined in their stance or because they were seeking to bring in surprise reinforcements. The order to advance was given. Both vanguards found themselves subject to such a bombardment of arrows that many were killed within minutes. Once the hand to hand fighting had begun, the royal forces proved superior, and a rash charge from the Percy force led them into disarray and destruction. When the cry went up that Harry Percy (Hotspur) had fallen, resistance crumbled and the slaughter began. Chroniclers of the day recorded that such a slaughter had never been seen or read about in Christian times. Thousands fell . Both sides suffered tremendous casualties, many as the result of the dramatic impact of the use of the English longbow, whose archers were reputed to be able to fire 12 arrows a minute into the enemy ranks - as there were several thousand archers in each force. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Shrewsbury

John married Alice WORSLEY. Alice (daughter of Geoffrey DE WORSLEY and Anabel DE HAYDOCK) was born about 1349 in Shipton-under-wychwood, Oxfordshire, England; died on 6 Oct 1427 in Knutsford, Cheshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Sir Geoffrey de Worsley, who fought in the French wars, married Mary daughter of Sir Thomas de Felton, about 1376; but a divorce was procured in 1381, and Mary retired to a nunnery. (fn. 25) Thereon Sir Geoffrey married Isabel daughter and eventual heir of Sir Thomas de Lathom, but died shortly afterwards leaving a daughter by her named Elizabeth, only one year old. His former wife then left her convent, asserting that she had only entered it by compulsion, and as she also established the validity of her marriage, the infant daughter of Sir Geoffrey lost the inheritance as illegitimate, the manors of Worsley and Hulton passing into the hands of Alice sister of Sir Geoffrey and wife of Sir John Massey. (fn. 26)