Isabel OGILVY

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• FamilySearch ID: G61T-G61

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• FamilySearch ID: GN4X-BJD
• Title (Nobility): ; 1st Lord Ogilvy of Airlie
• Title (Nobility): ; 2nd Earl of Airlie
• TitleOfNobility: ; Sir
• Name: James Ogilvy

Notes:

Life
The son of James Ogilvy, 6th Lord Ogilvy of Airlie by his first wife, Lady Jean Ruthven, daughter of William Ruthven, 1st Earl of Gowrie, he was born probably about 1593. He succeeded his father as Lord Ogilvy about 1618.[1]

For Ogilvy's support of the royalist cause, during the struggle between the court and the Scottish Presbyterians, Charles I created him Earl of Airlie by patent dated at York 2 April 1639. During the Bishops' War he suffered severely, with his estates wasted and his houses razed to the ground. He went to court in April 1640 to avoid taking the covenant, but, returning to Scotland, was present in the covenanting parliament of 1643. In the following year he and his three sons joined James Graham, 1st Marquess of Montrose; they were consequently forfeited by parliament on 11 February 1645, exempted from pardon in the treaty of Westminster, and excommunicated by the Church of Scotland on 27 July 1647.[1]

Ogilvy obtained on 23 July 1646 an assurance and remission from Major-general John Middleton, who was authorised to pacify the north of Scotland in this way. Parliament was then obliged, reluctantly, to rescind his forfeiture on 17 March 1647. He did not take any further part in public affairs, and died in 1666.[1]Ogilvy married about 1614 Lady Isabel Hamilton, second daughter of Thomas Hamilton, 1st Earl of Haddington, by whom he had three sons and two daughters. The sons were: James Ogilvy, 2nd Earl of Airlie, Sir Thomas and Sir David Ogilvy. One daughter, Isabel, enabled her brother James to escape from the castle of St. Andrews on the eve of his intended execution; she died unmarried. Her sister, Elizabeth, married in 1642 Sir John Carnegie of Balnamoon, Forfarshire.[1]

Children of Elene Douglas and Sir James Ogilvy of Airlie, 1st Lord Ogilvy of Airlie

Isabel Ogilvy5
Oliver Ogilvy6
Malcolm Ogilvy7 d. a 1501
John Ogilvy of Craig5 d. a Apr 1505
Archibald Ogilvy7 b. b 1494, d. b 1504
Alexander Ogilvy7 b. b 1494
Links

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http://www.cracroftspeerage.co.uk/online/content/angus1389.htm#ANGUS_1389_10
http://www.thepeerage.com/p10962.htm#i109612
http://www.clanmacfarlanegenealogy.info/genealogy/TNGWebsite/getperson.php?personID=I4973&tree=CC
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Helen Douglas of Angus's Timeline

James married Elene (Helen) DOUGLAS in May 1478 in Scotland. Elene (daughter of William DOUGLAS, 2nd Earl of Angus and Margaret HAY, of Yester) was born on 17 May 1425 in Aberdeenshire, Scotland; died on 20 Nov 1486 in Perthshire, Scotland. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• FamilySearch ID: LBMR-4F7
• Title (Nobility): ; Countess of Montrose
• TitleOfNobility: ; Baroness
• Name: Helen
• Name: Helen Eleanor DOUGLAS
• _UID: AB4CEDD5696444B6AFC8DB359959DE6239D9

Notes:

NOTE
In many of the Histories she is also referred as Eleanor or Elene and also Ann. With all the histories she remains with the same Husbands and Children.

Helen, daughter of 2nd Earl, identified as William's wife by both Burkes Peerage 1932 (Hamilton) and Burkes Peerage 1932 (Montrose) but The Scots Peerage shows Anne, dau of 4th Earl, as William's wife as does MacGregor's Landed Families of Perthshire.


The Life Summary of Helen
When Helen Douglas was born on 17 May 1425, in Aberdeenshire, Scotland, her father, Sir William the Red Second Baron Of Drumlanrig, Second Earl Of Angus, was 25 and her mother, Margaret Hay, was 21. She married Sir William Graham 2nd Lord of Montrose and 2d Lord of Graham and Baronet of Bruce in 1460, in Scotland. They were the parents of at least 3 sons and 8 daughters. She died on 20 November 1486, in Perthshire, Scotland, at the age of 61.

About Helen Douglas of Angus
1. Lady Helen Douglas (d. after 20 Nov 1486), mar. (1) bef. 1460 William [Graham], 2nd Lord Graham, and (2) bef. 1478 as his second wife James [Ogilvy], 1st Lord Ogilvy of Airlie, and had issue by her first husband.

Notes
Helen, dau of 2nd Earl, identified as William Graham's wife by both Burkes Peerage 1932 (Hamilton) and Burkes Peerage 1932 (Montrose) but The Scots Peerage shows Anne, dau of 4th Earl, as William's wife as does MacGregor's Landed Families of Perthshire.

"William, the second Lord Graham, married Lady Ann Douglas, daughter of George, fourth Earl of Angus, "the Red Douglas" of James II.?us time, who in Scottish tradition is remembered as having "put down the Black. "Another account of the clan... Patricks only son[?], William, second Lord Graham, married lady Anne Douglas, eldest daughter of the fourth Earl of Angus, and had two sons, William, third Lord Graham, and George, ancestor of the Grahams of Calendar. [http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/dtog/graham2.html]"

[This is disputed by Stirnet Graham02 using as its sources both The Scots Peerage and Burkes Peerage 1934 who say he married Helen Douglas daughter of the 2nd Earl of Angus]

AKA

Lady Helen Anne GRAHAM (1425 - 1486)

Children of Elene Douglas and William Graham, 2nd Lord Graham

William Graham, 1st Earl of Montrose+4 d. 9 Sep 1513
Jean Graham+2
Christian Graham+4
George Graham+4 d. 9 Sep 1513
unknown Graham4
Children of Elene Douglas and Sir James Ogilvy of Airlie, 1st Lord Ogilvy of Airlie

Isabel Ogilvy5
Oliver Ogilvy6
Malcolm Ogilvy7 d. a 1501
John Ogilvy of Craig5 d. a Apr 1505
Archibald Ogilvy7 b. b 1494, d. b 1504
Alexander Ogilvy7 b. b 1494
Links

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http://www.cracroftspeerage.co.uk/online/content/angus1389.htm#ANGUS_1389_10
http://www.thepeerage.com/p10962.htm#i109612
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Helen Douglas of Angus's Timeline

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• FamilySearch ID: 27SB-T6N
• TitleOfNobility: ; Knight
• Name: John of Lintrathen

Notes:

The Life Summary of John
When Sir John Ogilvy of Lintrathen was born in 1412, in Lintrathen, Forfarshire, Scotland, United Kingdom, his father, Walter Ogilvy, was 38 and his mother, Isabel Glen, was 32. He married Margaret Seton about 1425, in Scotland. They were the parents of at least 4 sons and 3 daughters. He died in June 1489, in Forfarshire, Scotland, at the age of 77, and was buried in Scotland.SIR JOHN OGILVY OF LINTRATHEN was born about 1402 of Bridgend of Lintrathen, Angus, Scotland, to Sir Walter Ogilvie of Lintrathen (1369-1440) and Isabel Jean Durward Heiress (1380-1421.) He married Margaret Seton about 1429 of Forfar, Angus, Scotland.

John Ogilvy died about 1489 of Airlie, Angusshire, Scotland, age 87.


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Scotland


Wikitree:
Children: David of Newtoun, Thomas Abbott of Cowpar, Christian Forbes of Pitsligo, Marion Stewart.
John of Ogilvie of Lentrethin, knight, was a member of the council who signed the indenture between the King and Council and Robert, Lord Erskine, made at Stirling on 10 August, 1440, giving the Castle of Kildromie, and half the Earldom of Mar to Robert Lord Erskine.[1]

MARGARET SETON was born about 1398 of Seton, Haddingtonshire, Scotland, to Lord William Seton (1349-1424) and Lady Janet Dunbar (1380-1430.) She married Sir John Ogilvy about 1429 of Forfar, Angus, Scotland.

Margaret Seton passed away about 1471 of Seton, Haddingtonshire, Scotland, age 73.


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Church at Seton, East Lothian, Scotland


Area, Scotland - Seton, East Lothian - ruins of Seton Chapel


Scotland


Seton Castle

Wikitree:
It is suggested here that Margaret was born about 1410 daughter to Alexander Seaton of Gordon. (note that a generation earlier John Ogilvy of Inverquharity married Marion Seaton a daughter of Willaim Seaton of Gordon.)
Margaret is known only as Margaret, Lady Ogilvy, Countess of Moray. It thus appears that she married firstly to James Dunbar, earl of Moray who died about 10 Aug 1430. He was released as a hostage for King James I in 1427 and probably at the time he succeeded to the earldom and married on his return. It is said by MacFarlane but without confirmation that the earl married Katherine or Janet a daughter of Alexander Seaton of Gordon. It thus appears probable that Margaret was that widowed Countess.
By James Dunbar margaret had two daughters:
1. Elizabeth, (or Mary or Agnes0 who married before 26 April 1442, to Archibald Douglas, who was created Earl of Moray.
2. Janet, married, between 1442 and 1446, to James,second Lord Crichton.

After the death of her first husband, Margaret, Countess of Moray married Sir John Ogilvy of Lintrathen about 1431.


Children of John Ogilvy and Margaret Seton:

1.Mariote Ogilvy (1415-)
2.*SIR ALEXANDER OGILVIE (1416-1497)
3.Elizabeth Ogilvy of Lintrath (1425-)
4.Baron James I Ogilvy (1430-1504)
5.Isobel Ogilvy (1442-)
+

John married Margaret SETON, Countess of Moray about 1425 in Scotland. Margaret (daughter of William SETON, 1st Lord Seton and Lady Janet FLEMING, Baroness Of Seton) was born in 1405 in Seton Castle, Tranent, East Lothian, Scotland; died on 7 Feb 1478 in Carlaverock, Dumfries-shire, Scotland; was buried in 1471 in Seton, Haddingtonshire, Scotland. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• FamilySearch ID: L8S7-7LX
• TitleOfNobility: ; Baroness of Seton
• Name: Margaret de Seton
• Name: Marion de Seton

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• FamilySearch ID: 9HCQ-CZM

William married Margaret HAY, of Yester. Margaret was born on 20 May 1400 in Yester Castle, Yester, Haddingtonshire, Scotland; died on 22 Apr 1484 in Aberdeenshire, Scotland. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• FamilySearch ID: LBH8-8GP

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• FamilySearch ID: LZVH-28Q
• TitleOfNobility: Scotland; 1st Lord High Treasurer
• Name: Walter Ogilvie
• _UID: AF37C534E62949FF967EB9CCCCF94D14F52C

Notes:

By Isabel de Durward, heiress of Lintrathen, he had two sons and a daughter. The sons were: Sir John of Lintrathen, his heir, whose son, Sir James Ogilvy of Airlie, was created by James IV on 28 April 1491 a peer of parliament by the title of Lord Ogilvy of Airlie; and Sir Walter of Auchleven, whose eldest son, Sir James, was ancestor of the Ogilvys, earls of Findlater, and whose second son. Sir Walter Ogilvy of Boyne, was ancestor of the lords of Banff. The daughter, Giles, was married to Sir William Arbuthnott of Arbuthnott.
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Dictionary_of_National_Biography,_1885-1900/Ogilvy,_Walter



About Sir Walter Ogilvy of Lintrathen, 1st Lord High Treasurer of Scotland
From Darryl Lundy's Peerage page on Walther Ogilvy of Lintrathen:

http://thepeerage.com/p10823.htm#i108230

Sir Walter Ogilvy of Lintrathen1

M, #108230,
d. 1440
Last Edited=22 Feb 2011
Consanguinity Index=1.56%
Sir Walter Ogilvy of Lintrathen married, firstly, unknown Durward.[1]

He married, secondly, Isabel Glen, daughter of Sir John Glen and Margaret Erskine of Inchmartin, after 1427.[2],[1]

He died in 1440.[1]

He was the son of Sir Walter Ogilvy of Auchterhouse and Isabel Ramsay.[1]

He held the office of High Treasurer [Scotland] in 1425.[3]
He lived at Lintrathen, Angus, Scotland.[2]
He was a Commissioner to England negotiating for peace between 1431 and 1437.[3]
Children of Sir Walter Ogilvy of Lintrathen and unknown Durward

1. Sir John Ogilvy of Lintrathen+[1] b. b 1414, d. Jun 1489
2. James Ogilvy [1] b. b 1427
Children of Sir Walter Ogilvy of Lintrathen and Isabel Glen

1. Isabel Ogilvy+[4] d. 1484
2. Walter Ogilvy+[1]
3. Giles Ogilvy [5]
4. David Ogilvy [1] b. b 28 Jan 1426/27
5. Alexander Ogilvy [1] b. b 1440
6. Patrick Ogilvy [1] b. b 1440
7. George Ogilvy [1] b. b 1440
Citations

1. [S8] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 106th edition, 2 volumes (Crans, Switzerland: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 1999), volume 1, page 45. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 106th edition.
2. [S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume VII, page 121. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.
3. [S323] Sir James Balfour Paul, The Scots Peerage: founded on Wood's edition of Sir Robert Douglas's The Peerage of Scotland (Edinburgh, Scotland: David Douglas, 1904), volume I, page 111. Hereinafter cited as The Scots Peerage.
4. [S11] Alison Weir, Britain's Royal Family: A Complete Genealogy (London, U.K.: The Bodley Head, 1999), page 228. Hereinafter cited as Britain's Royal Family.
5. [S323] Sir James Balfour Paul, The Scots Peerage, volume I, page 112.
From the English Wikipedia page on Lord High Treasurer of Scotland:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasurer_of_Scotland

The Treasurer was a senior post in the pre-Union government of Scotland, the Privy Council of Scotland.

The full title of the post was Lord High Treasurer, Comptroller, Collector-General and Treasurer of the New Augmentation, formed as it was from the amalgamation of four earlier offices. Of these, the Treasurer and Comptroller had originated in 1425 when the Chamberlain's financial functions were transferred to them.[1]

Source:

1. ^ Accounts of the Lord High Treasurer, vol. 1, (1877), xiv.
Lord High Treasurer

Walter was from Auchterhouse, co. Angus and was Sheriff of co. Angus. He died at the battle of Glenbrierachan.
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Sir Walter Ogilvy of Lintrathen, 1st Lord High Treasurer of Scotland's Timeline
1380
1380
Birth of Walter
Probably Auchterhouse, Forfarshire, Scotland

Walter married Isabel GLEN about 1400 in Bridgend of Lintrathen, Forfarshire, Scotland. Isabel (daughter of Sir John DE GLEN, of Inchmartin and Balmuto and Lady Margaret ERSKINE, Countess of Balmuto) was born in 1380 in Lintrathen, Forfarshire, Scotland; died after 1440 in Lintrathen, Forfarshire, Scotland. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• FamilySearch ID: LFVX-TN5

Notes:

By Isabel de Durward, heiress of Lintrathen, he had two sons and a daughter. The sons were: Sir John of Lintrathen, his heir, whose son, Sir James Ogilvy of Airlie, was created by James IV on 28 April 1491 a peer of parliament by the title of Lord Ogilvy of Airlie; and Sir Walter of Auchleven, whose eldest son, Sir James, was ancestor of the Ogilvys, earls of Findlater, and whose second son. Sir Walter Ogilvy of Boyne, was ancestor of the lords of Banff. The daughter, Giles, was married to Sir William Arbuthnott of Arbuthnott.
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Dictionary_of_National_Biography,_1885-1900/Ogilvy,_Walter



About Sir Walter Ogilvy of Lintrathen, 1st Lord High Treasurer of Scotland
From Darryl Lundy's Peerage page on Walther Ogilvy of Lintrathen:

http://thepeerage.com/p10823.htm#i108230

Sir Walter Ogilvy of Lintrathen1

M, #108230,
d. 1440
Last Edited=22 Feb 2011
Consanguinity Index=1.56%
Sir Walter Ogilvy of Lintrathen married, firstly, unknown Durward.[1]

He married, secondly, Isabel Glen, daughter of Sir John Glen and Margaret Erskine of Inchmartin, after 1427.[2],[1]

He died in 1440.[1]

He was the son of Sir Walter Ogilvy of Auchterhouse and Isabel Ramsay.[1]

He held the office of High Treasurer [Scotland] in 1425.[3]
He lived at Lintrathen, Angus, Scotland.[2]
He was a Commissioner to England negotiating for peace between 1431 and 1437.[3]
Children of Sir Walter Ogilvy of Lintrathen and unknown Durward

1. Sir John Ogilvy of Lintrathen+[1] b. b 1414, d. Jun 1489
2. James Ogilvy [1] b. b 1427
Children of Sir Walter Ogilvy of Lintrathen and Isabel Glen

1. Isabel Ogilvy+[4] d. 1484
2. Walter Ogilvy+[1]
3. Giles Ogilvy [5]
4. David Ogilvy [1] b. b 28 Jan 1426/27
5. Alexander Ogilvy [1] b. b 1440
6. Patrick Ogilvy [1] b. b 1440
7. George Ogilvy [1] b. b 1440
Citations

1. [S8] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 106th edition, 2 volumes (Crans, Switzerland: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 1999), volume 1, page 45. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 106th edition.
2. [S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume VII, page 121. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.
3. [S323] Sir James Balfour Paul, The Scots Peerage: founded on Wood's edition of Sir Robert Douglas's The Peerage of Scotland (Edinburgh, Scotland: David Douglas, 1904), volume I, page 111. Hereinafter cited as The Scots Peerage.
4. [S11] Alison Weir, Britain's Royal Family: A Complete Genealogy (London, U.K.: The Bodley Head, 1999), page 228. Hereinafter cited as Britain's Royal Family.
5. [S323] Sir James Balfour Paul, The Scots Peerage, volume I, page 112.
From the English Wikipedia page on Lord High Treasurer of Scotland:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasurer_of_Scotland

The Treasurer was a senior post in the pre-Union government of Scotland, the Privy Council of Scotland.

The full title of the post was Lord High Treasurer, Comptroller, Collector-General and Treasurer of the New Augmentation, formed as it was from the amalgamation of four earlier offices. Of these, the Treasurer and Comptroller had originated in 1425 when the Chamberlain's financial functions were transferred to them.[1]

Source:

1. ^ Accounts of the Lord High Treasurer, vol. 1, (1877), xiv.
Lord High Treasurer

Walter was from Auchterhouse, co. Angus and was Sheriff of co. Angus. He died at the battle of Glenbrierachan.
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Sir Walter Ogilvy of Lintrathen, 1st Lord High Treasurer of Scotland's Timeline
1380
1380
Birth of Walter
Probably Auchterhouse, Forfarshire, Scotland

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• FamilySearch ID: GC4H-MF7
• Title (Nobility): ; Sir Knight
• Name: William de Wyntoun
• Name: William Gordon
• Title (Nobility): 1371; 1st Lord Seton

Notes:

When Sir William De Seton was born in 1343, in Seton, Haddingtonshire, Scotland, his father, Sir Alan De Wynton of Seton, was 52 and his mother, Margaret Seton Heiress Of Seton, was 26.
He had at least 3 sons and 3 daughters with Lady Janet Fleming 'Baroness of Seton'.
He died in 1410, in Haddington, Haddingtonshire, Scotland, at the age of 67.
[Above added 2021 by Robert P Campbell]
William Seton (died 1410), born William de Wyntoun, was a 14th? 15th-century noble.
William was the eldest son of Alan de Wyntoun and Margaret Seton, heiress of Seton. William adopted the name and arms of Seton, succeeding to the estates of his mother and was created the Lord Seton in 1371.
He married Janet, the daughter of David Fleming of Biggar & Cumbernauld, they are known to have had the following issue:
John Seton, 2nd Lord Seton, married Katherine, daughter of William St Clair of Hermandston, had issue.
Alexander Seton, married Elizabeth Gordon, heiress of Adam de Gordon, Lord of Gordon, had issue.
Margaret
Marion
Jean
Catherine
William Seton purchased the wardship of Elizabeth Gordon, Heiress of Gordon from Walter de Haliburton of Dirleton on 7 March 1408 for a liferent of 50 merks from the barony of Tranent.
Originally Elizabeth had been betrothed to his eldest son John, however he declined, Elizabeth was then betrothed to William's younger son, Alexander who by this time had been released by the English, after being captured with Prince James of Scotland while traveling aboard Maryenknyght, while en route to France.
--Wikipedia

William married Lady Janet FLEMING, Baroness Of Seton in 1370 in Seton, Haddingtonshire, Scotland. Janet (daughter of Sir David FLEMING, of Biggar and Jean BARCLAY) was born in 1351 in Biggar, South Lanarkshire, Scotland; died in 1430 in Seton, East Lothian, Scotland; was buried in Seton Collegiate Churchyard, Tranent, East Lothian, Scotland. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• FamilySearch ID: L1Q2-SSY
• TitleOfNobility: ; Baroness Seton
• Name: Janet Fleming
• Name: Jonet

Notes:

About Lady Janet Fleming, Baroness of Seton
Children of Janet Fleming and Sir William de Seton

Sir Alexander Seton+1 d. bt 31 Aug 1440 - 3 Apr 1441
John Seton b: 1370 in Seton, East Lothian, Scotland d c 1434
Marion Seton
Janet de Seton1
Anna de Seton1
From SETON.

Sir William Seton of that Ilk, of Winton, and Tranent in East Lothian, and of Winchburgh, West Lothian, had by his wife, Katherine, daughter of Sir William Sinclair of Herdmanstoun, two sons. The elder, Sir John Seton of that Ilk, was ancestor of the Earls of Winton, attainted 1716, of tlie Earls of Dunfermline, Lords of F3 r vie and Urquhart, attainted 1690, and of the Viscounts Kingston, attainted 1715. The second son was the ancestor of the Setons of Strath-bogie and of the Garioch (p. 112).

Sir Alexander Seton married, circa 1408, Elizabeth de Gordon, heiress of Gordon, and became Lord Gordon, and their sons were Alexander, first Earl of Huntly ; William, first Seton of Meldruni ; and Henry, killed along with his brother William in the battle of Brechin (1452).

Citations

[S37] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes (Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A.: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003), volume 1, page 1285. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition.
Links

http://www.thepeerage.com/p2983.htm#i29830
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=ancestorsearch&id=I1454