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 Abt 470 - Yes, date unknown
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Generation: 2
Generation: 3
| 6. | Cunedda "Wledig" Ap Edern King Of GWYNEDD was born about 385 in Manau Gododdin (Clackmannan, Scotland) (son of Edern (Aeturnus) Ap Padern PADARN and Princess Of DUMNONIA & BRITTANY); died in in Gwynedd, Caernarvonshire, Wales. Other Events:
- AFN: HPGD-CX
- FamilySearch ID: GJJL-RNW
- Name: Cunedda "Wledig" Ap EDERN
- Name: Cunedda "Wledig" King Ap Edern Of GWYNEDD
- Name: Cunetacius (Kenneth) King Of GWYNEDD
- Name: Wledig
- _UID: 335473EEE912467C928DA36D1D17EDF1E628
Notes:
Cunedda Wledig, King of North Wales
(Born c.AD 380)
(Latin: Cunetacius; English: Kenneth)
Cunedda or Cunedag Wledig (the Imperator) was a northern British chieftain, a sub-King of Gododdin who ruled Manau Gododdin on the Firth of Forth around Clackmannan. Not much is known about his life in the North, though an ancient poem generally known as the Marwnad Cunedda records his wars against the kingdoms of Coel Hen and his descendants, when "the forts will tremble.....in Caer Weir [supposedly Durham] and Caer Liwelydd [Carlisle]". Cunedda's paternal ancestors bore Roman names for three generations, including Paternus of the Red Robe, a name which has brought suggestions that the family ruled North of Hadrian's Wall in some sort of official Roman capacity. His maternal grandmother was supposedly the grandaughter of Conan Meriadoc, male heir of the legendary Welsh King, Eudaf Hen. He was therefore chosen by the northern Welsh to help them in their fight against the invading Irish. Nennius reports:
Maelgwn, the great king, was reigning among the Britons in the region of Gwynedd, for his ancester Cunedag, with his sons, whose number was eight, had come previously from the northern part, that is from the region which is called Manau Gododdin, one hundred and forty-six years before Maelgwn reigned. And with great slaughter they drove out from those regions the Scotti who never returned again to inhabit them.
The Harleian MS 3859 further tells us:
These are the names of the sons of Cunedda, whose number was nine: Tybion, the first-born, who died in the region called Manau Gododdin and did not come hither with his father and his aforesaid brothers. Meirion, his son, divided the possessions among his [Tybion's] brothers. 2. Ysfael, 3. Rhufon, 4. Dunod, 5. Ceredig, 6. Afloeg, 7. Einion Yrth, 8. Dogfael, 9. Edern. This is their boundary: from the river which is called Dyfrdwy [the Dee] , to another river, the Teifi; and they held very many districts in the western part of Britain.
Other sons, generally considered more legendary, may have included Gwron, Mael, Coel and Arwystl. Daughters were Tegeingl and Gwen, the wife of Amlawdd Wledig.
It seems clear therefore that Cunedda and his warbands rode clean across Britain to assist their Western cousins. Soon only Llyn, Arfon, Arllechwedd and the majority of Anglesey remained in Irish hands. Cunedda also took raiding parties further south and expelled the Ui Liathain from Gwyr, Cedweli and parts of Dyfed. He finally settled down in Rhos which was the original heartland of Gwynedd. His family founded a number of Royal dynasties in the regions now named after his many sons: Meirionydd, Ysfeilion, Rhufoniog, Dunoding, Ceredigion, Afflogion, Dogfeiling and Edeyrnion.
The main question in Cunedda's life concerns the date of these events. PC Bartrum suggests a timeframe no earlier than AD 370 and no later than AD 430. The latter date appears to conform to the general consensus of opinion, though a little later is possible. Perhaps the western migration of Cunedda and his men was part of the distinct policy of a High-King like Vortigern Vorteneu. The figure of one hundred and forty-six years before King Maelgwn Gwynedd's reign, on the other hand, might suggest a period around the 380s. A Roman mercenary movement following Magnus Maximus' troop withdrawal has been suggested, though indications of his son's rule in the area would contradict this possibility.
Cunedda Wledig's Ancestry
Cunedda Wledig (the Imperator) was a powerful warrior prince from the North of Britain. He hailed from Manau Gododdin - the area around Clackmannan in modern Scotland - and may have been the ruling sub-king, under the Kings of Greater Gododdin. Around AD 430 or a little later, his family was invited - possibly by the remnants of Roman Officialdom - to rid North Wales of invading Irish pirates. Cunedda and his sons eagerly obliged and thus established a range of monarchies in the region which actually originated amongst the Men of the North.
His pedigree appears in the Jesus College MS 20 and other early Welsh genealogical tracts thus:
However, the earlier pedigree in the Harleian MS 3859 gives a more accurate picture:
The older pedigree shows that a number of the generations given in the later ancestries are, in fact, duplications. Three of them simply add the prefix 'Guor-' on to each name and it has been suggested that this was part of some sort of bardic chant which helped people remember the names.
Cunedda, like many of his contemporaries, claimed descent from the Celtic gods, Beli and Afallach. Yet, his immediate ancestors had extremely Roman names: Aeternus, Paternus & Tacitus. They were probably leaders of the Votadini tribe. They were on excellent terms with the Roman administration south of Hadrian's Wall and may have formed part of a pro-Roman borderland buffer zone after the irruptions of AD 367/9. Paternus' Red-Robe may even suggest the official purple garb of the Roman Administration. The family continued thus:
Cunedda Wledig (the Imperator), King of Manau Gododdin & Gwynedd
m. Gwawl ferch Coel Hen
Tybion, abt 417 -
Ysfael Gwron, abt 418 -
Rhufon, abt 419 -
Dunod, abt 420 -
Ceredig Ceredigion, abt 421 -
Afloeg, abt 422 -
Einion Yrth, abt 423 -
Dogfael, abt 424 -
Edern, abt 425 -
Tegeingl, abt 426 -
Gwen, abt 427 - , m. Amlawdd Wledig (the Imperator)
ore unreliable sources give three further sons:
Mael, abt 428 -
Coel, abt 429 -
Arwystl, abt 430 -
Early British Kingdoms
David Nash Ford
Source: lorenfamily.com
Titled:
King of Votadini (North Britain)
Titled:
King of North Wales
Titled:
Wledig - "The Imperator"
Cunedda married Gwawl Verch Coel Of BRITAIN in , North Wales. Gwawl (daughter of Coel Hen Godebog King Of North BRITAIN and Ystrafael Verch Cadfan Of DUMNONIA) was born about 386 in Wales, England; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
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| 7. | Gwawl Verch Coel Of BRITAIN was born about 386 in Wales, England (daughter of Coel Hen Godebog King Of North BRITAIN and Ystrafael Verch Cadfan Of DUMNONIA); and died. Other Events:
- AFN: MQR7-H3
- FamilySearch ID: GJNW-V1V
- Name: Gwawl Verch COEL
- _UID: 5894A5ABB8CC4578A79983A7E75AB0EAC2DF
Notes:
Source: lorenfamily.com
Children:
- Tybion Ap CUNEDDA was born about 408 in Of, Meirionydd, Merionethshire, Wales; and died.
- Edern Ap CUNEDDA was born about 410 in Of, Edeirnion, Merionethshire, Wales; and died.
- Rhufon Ap CUNEDDA was born about 411 in Of, Rhufoniog, Denbighshire, Wales; and died.
- Ceredig Ap Cunedda Prince Of GWYNEDD was born about 413 in Gwynedd, Caernarvonshire, Wales; died in in Ceredigion, Cymru (Wales).
- Afloeg Ap CUNEDDA was born about 414 in Of Cafflogion, Llyn, Caernarvonshire, Wales; and died.
- Ysfael Ap CUNEDDA was born about 416 in Wales, England; and died.
- Einion "The Impetuous" King Of GWYNEDD was born about 419 in North Wales; and died.
- Dunog Ap CUNEDDA was born about 419 in Of, Dunoding, Wales; and died.
- Tegid (Tegeingl) Verch CUNEDDA was born about 420 in Wales, England; and died.
- Dogfael Ap CUNEDDA was born about 422 in Of Dogfeiling, Dyffryn Clwyd, Denbighshire, Wales; and died.
- 3. Gwen Verch Cunedda was born about 430; and died.
- Ysfael Gwron "Hero" Ap Cunedda King YNYS MON was born about 431 in Votadini, North Britain; died in in Ynys Mon (Anglesey), Cymru (Wales).
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| 14. | Coel Hen Godebog King Of North BRITAIN was born about 350 in Rheged, North England (son of Guoyepauc (Guotepauc) Ap TEGFAN); died about 420 in Coilsfield, Tarbolton, England. Other Events:
- FamilySearch ID: GJNW-6SH
- Name: Coel (Colius) King Of North BRITAIN
- Name: Coel Hen Ap TEHVANT
- _UID: EC4FE83047AE445A8C534232641FD6CC5EB1
- Alt. Birth: Abt 362; Alt. Birth
Notes:
Coel Hen or Coel "the Old" is known to most of us through the famous nursery rhyme:
Old King Cole was a merry old soul
And a merry old soul was he.
He called for his pipe,
And he called for his bowl,
And he called for his fiddlers, three.
He is also a familiar figure in ancient Welsh genealogies, for most of the Celtic British monarchies claimed descent from him in one form or another. He appears to have lived around the turn from the 4th to the 5th century, the time when the Roman officials returned to Italy, leaving Britain and her people to fend for themselves. Coel's particular association with the north of Britain has led to the suggestion that he may actually have been the last of the Roman Duces Brittanniarum with his headquarters at York. He certainly imposed his power over a great swathe of the country, and can be considered the first King in Northern Britain. (This Coel should not be confused with the legendary Coel Godhebog "the Magnificent", Lord of Colchester, whose daughter, St.Helen, supposedly married the Emperor Constantius Chlorus two centuries earlier.)
There is an old story told in the north about Coel's last campaign. What is now Scotland was originally inhabited by the Pictish race. It was during Coel's time that immigrant Irishmen from the Scotti tribe began to settle the Western coast around Argyle. Coel, fearing that the two peoples would unite against the British, sent raiding parties across his northern border to stir up discord between them. The plan, however, backfired for the Picts and the Scots were not taken in. Coel merely succeeded in pushing the two even closer together, and they began to attack the British Kingdom of Strathclyde. Coel declared all out war and moved north to expel the invaders. The Picts and Scots fled to the hills ahead of Coel's army, who eventually set up camp at what became Coylton alongside the Water of Coyle (Ayrshire). For a long time, the British were triumphant, while the Scots and Picts starved. Desperate for some relief, however, the enemy advanced an all-or-nothing attack on Coel's stronghold. Coel and his men were taken by surprise, overrun and scattered to the winds. It is said that Coel wandered the unknown countryside until he eventually got caught in a bog at Coilsfield (in Tarbolton, Ayrshire) and drowned. Coel was first buried in a mound there before being removed to the church at Coylton. The year was about AD 420. After his death, Coel's Northern Kingdom was divided between two of his sons. Coel was the King who brought corn to Britain.
Coel married Ystrafael Verch Cadfan Of DUMNONIA. Ystrafael (daughter of Cadfan "The Great" Ap Cynan King Of DUMNONIA and Gwladys) was born about 360; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
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