John TALBOT, Viscount Of Lisle

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• AFN: 9FDM-17
• Reference Number: HWS46475
• _UID: 02DC874C9145447F8387B0DC4D0C0464A11D

John married about 1445 in <, Astley, Warwick, England>. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• FamilySearch ID: LBXX-N35
• MilitaryService: ; General in the Hundred years War
• Name: John TALBOT
• Name: Old TALBOT
• _UID: E5D4D584D5024C6BB67F0D723D57FB9F8222
• Title (Nobility): 26 Oct 1409; 6th Baron Furnivalle

Notes:

Sir John Talbot, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury (technically the Earldom was designated as being of "Salop" or "Shropshire" but ever afterwards, indeed in the grantee's lifetime, its bearers have been known as Earls of "Shrewsbury") and the 1st Earl of Waterford, so created 20 May 1442 and 17 July 1446 (when also made Hereditary Steward of Ireland) respectively, though called to Parliament 26 Oct 1409 by writs made out to Lord (Baron) de Furnyvall/de Halomshire in right of his 1st wife during her lifetime and as Lord (Baron) Talbot of Hallamshire) afterwards, also according to later doctrine 7th Lord (Baron) Talbot and 7th or 10th Lord (Baron) Strange (of Blackmere) on his niece Ankaret's death 1421, KG (1424), JP (Derbys Feb 1407/8, Salop & Staffs March 1409/10); b. c 1384; King's Esquire 1407; knighted by 1413, King's Lieutenant in Ireland Feb 1413/4 and March 1444/5, Justiciar of Ireland Jan-April 1425, campaigned Hundred Years War: Battle of Verneuil 1424, took Laval March 1427/8, also Nogent-le-Roi and was at Siege of Orleans 1428-29, commander at Battle of Patay June 1429 (captured but subsequently ransomed), took Patay 1433, Joigny 1434, Beaumont-su-Oise May 1434, Creil June 1434 and Clermont, created by Henry VI Count of Clermont end Beauvoisis (part of a policy pursued by Henrys V and VI of making their chief commanders nobles in English-occupied France with French fiefs), present at Siege of Saint-Denis Sep 1435, retook Pays de Caux 1436/7, held Le Croty 1437, Marshal of France by 6 April 1437, took Longueville 1438, reinforced Mezux 1439 and Pontoise several times, destroyed Poissy 1441, conducted Siege of Dieppe 1442, Keeper of Porchester Castle and Governor of Portsmouth Feb 1451/2, Lieutenant of Aquitaine 1452, retook Bordeaux Oct 1452 took Fronsac March 1452/3, finally killed with his 4th son (3rd here noticed) at the rout of Castillon (the last battle of the Hundred Years War) 17 July 1453;

married 1st by 12 May 1406/7 Maud, Baroness Furnivall(e) in her own right according to later doctrine (d. c 1423), daughter and heiress of Thomas Neville, 5th Lord (Baron) Furnivall(e) in right of his 1st wife, and had issue. The 1st Earl married 2nd 6 Sep 1425 Lady Margaret Beauchamp (died 14 June 1467), eldest daughter and coheir of Richard, Earl of Warwick by his 1st wife Elizabeth (only child of 5th Lord (Baron) Berkeley of the 1295 creation, and deemed by later doctrine to have been Baroness Berkeley and Baroness Lisle in her own right, though on her death, they would have fallen into abeyance between her three daughter and coheirs even by the same later doctrine. [Burke's Peerage]

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Sir John Talbot, KG, b. c 1384, slain at Castillon 17 July 1453, Earl of Shrewsbury; m. (1) 1406/7 Maud de Neville, Lady Furnivall, b. c 1392, d. c 1423, daughter of Thomas Nevill, Lord Furnivall, by his wife, Joan Furinvall, Lady Furnivall. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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BARONY of TALBOT (VII)

BARONY of FURNIVALLE (IV, 1)

EARLDOM of WATERFORD (I)

EARLDOM of SHREWSBURY (IV, 1)

John (Talbot), Lord Talbot, Lord Furnivalle (of Blackmere), 2nd son of Richard (Talbot), Lord Talbot, by Ankaret, according to modern doctrine suo jure Baroness Strange (of Blackmere), daughter and eventually heir of Sir John Lestraunge, Lord Lestraunge or Lord Strange (of Blackmere), of Whitchurch, Salop, b. about 1384; by his 1st marriage, before 5 Apr 1407, with Maud, according to modern doctrine, suo jure Baroness Furnivalle, he acquired the great family estates of the family of Furnivalle in Hallamshire, of which the castle of Sheffield was the caput, and, in consequence thereof, he was summoned to Parliament as Lord Furnivalle or Lord Talbot (of Hallamshire), from 26 Oct 1409 to 26 Feb 1420 by writs directed to Johanni Talbot, with the additions: domino de Furnyvall, or de Halomshire. He witnessed, as Johannes, Dominus de Farnevale, the agreement between Henry, Prince of Wales, and Rees ap Llewelyn, for the surrender of Aberystwyth, 12 Sep 1407. He was King's Esquire, bef. 25 Apr 1407, when he was granted the keeping of the castle and lordship of Montgomery during the minority of Edmund, Earl of March; on the Commission of the Peace, Derbyshire, 7 Feb 1407/8; Salop and Staffordshire, 14 Mar 1409/10; knighted bef. 15 July 1413; committed to the Tower, 16 Nov 1413 (a); Commissioner to arrest and imprison Lollards, 11 Jan 1413/4; Commissioner to enforce the Statute of Leicester against the Lollards, 28 July 1414. He was appointed King's Lieuteneant of Ireland for 6 years, with power to nominate a Deputy, 24 Feb 1413/4, being sworn in 13 Nov. He left Ireland, 7 Feb 1415/6, was present at the reception of Sigismund, King of the Romans (afterwards Emperor), at Dover, May 1416, returned to Ireland, Apr 1418, but left again, July 1419. By the death, 13 Dec 1421, of his niece Ankaret, according to modern doctrine suo jure Baroness Talbot, and the consequent failure of the issue of his elder brother Gilbert, Lord Talbot, etc, he became Lord Talbot (1331) and Lord Strange (of Blackmere) (1308). He was also, by inheritance from his great-grandmother, Elizabeth, wife of Richard, 2nd Lord Talbot, lord of the honor of Wexford, in Ireland.

He was with Henry VI at Windsor, 28 Sep 1422; ordered to prevent riots on the Welsh marches, 3 Oct 1422; nominated KG, 6 May 1424; Justiciar of Ireland Jan-Apr 1425. He was at the battle of Verneuil, 17 Aug 1424; Capt. of Coutances and Pont de l'Arche, 1 Jan 1427/8; took Laval 13 Mar 1427/8, Capt. of Falaise, 8 Nov 1428; took part in the capture of Nogent-le-Roi, and the siege of Orleans, 1428-9. He was one of the commanders at the battle of Patay, 18 June 1429, where he fought on foot with archers and was taken prisoner. He was exchanged for Poton de Xaintrailles, July 1433, and joined the Duke of Burgundy in his campaign, when Patay was taken, July 1433. In 1434, after a visit to England, he returned in command of 800 men and, after capturing Joigny on his way to Paris, took Beaumont-sur-Oise in May, Creil in June and Clermont, when Henry VI created him Count of Clermont en Beauvoisis. He was at the siege of Saint-Denis in Sep 1435; recovered the Pays de Caux 1436; defeated la Hire at Ris near Rouen, end of 1436; captured Ivry and surprised Pontoise, Jan-Feb 1436/7; saved Le Crotoy from the Duke of Burgundy, 1437; Marshal of France, bef. 6 Apr 1437; captured Longueville and other castles in the Pays de Caux 1438; revictualled Meaux 1439; at the siege and capture of Harfleur, and was made Capt. of the town, 1440; granted a pension of 300 gold salus a quarter, 3 Dec 1440; revictualled Pontoise several times and sacked Poissy 1441; Lord of Grasville-Sainte-Honorine bef. 1442; besieged Dieppe 1442. For his services he was created, 20 May 1442, Earl of Salop, in tail male; but he and his successors have alway been known as Earls of Shrewsbury. He had a licence for good service in France to absent himself from Ireland for 10 years and to receive all rents from his possessions in Wexford and elsewhere, 16 Mar 1442/3; granted for life 60 marks per annum at the Exchequer and 40 marks per annum from the petty custom in the port of London, 2 Mar 1443/4; godfather fo Elizabeth of York, Rouen, 22 Sep 1444; one of the Lords who welcomed Margaret of Anjou at Rouen, 22 Mar 1444/5; received outside London, Louis de Bourbon, Comte de Vendome, and the other French Ambassadors, 16 July 1445. He was reappointed King's Leiutenant of Ireland for 7 years, 12 Mar 1444/5, and was created 17 July 1446, Earl of Waterford [I], and made Hereditary Steward of Ireland. In 1447 he was one of the Commissioners appointed to treat with the Commissioners of Charles VII, 18 Aug 1448; one of the hostages for the surrender of Rouen, which he had bravely defended, Oct 1449. At the surrender of Falaise, 20 July 1450, he was held quit of everything in which he could be bound under the agreement made at Rouen, provided that he went to Rome, from which city he returned to England, Dec 1450.

Commissioner for the subsidy, London and Middlesex, 23 Jan 1450/1; Surrey and Sussex, Southampton and Wilts, 20 May 1451; Wales, 30 July 1452; Keeper of the Castle and Town of Porchester and Gov. of Portsmouth (for life), 17 Feb 1451/2. He was appointed to command the Army on the sea, Mar 1451/2, having been with the King at Canterbury on Candlemas Day, and Lieutenant of Aquitaine, 1 Sep 1452. After landing in the Medoc in Oct, he recovered Bordeaux, 23 Oct, and most of the Bordelais; captured Fronsac, Mar 1452/3. He attempted to relieve Castillon on the Dordogne, but in an attack on the French entrenched camp, he was slain, together with his son John, Lord Lisle, 17 July 1453.

He m. 1stly, bef. 12 Mar 1406/7, Maud, according to modern doctrine suo jure Baroness Furnivalle, elder daughter of Thomas (Neville), Lord Furnivalle, and only child and heir of (his 1st wife) Joan, according to modern doctrine suo jure Baroness Furnivalle, only daughter and heir of William (de Furnivalle), Lrod Furnivalle. She, who was b. c 1392 sat at Queen Katherine's Coronation banquet in Westminster Hall, 21 Feb 1420/1. She d. about 1423 and was buried in Worksop Priory, Notts. He m. 2ndly, 6 Sep 1425, at Warwick Castle, Margaret, 1st daughter of Richard (Beauchamp), Earl of Warwick, by his 1st wife, to whom she was coheir, Elizabeth, only child and heir of Thomas (Berkeley), Lord Berkeley, which Elizabeth was, according to modern doctrine, suo jure Baroness Lisle and Baroness Berkeley. He d. as stated above, 17 July 1453, and was buried at St. Alkmund's, Whitchurch, Salop, M.I. Will dated 1 Sep 1452, at Portsmouth, probated 18 Jan 1453/4. Writs of diem cl. extr. 10 Sep, 24 Oct, and 28 Oct 1453. His widow, who was b. in 1404, d. 14 June 1467, and was buried in the Jesus Chapel of St. Paul's. [Complete Peerage XI:698-704]

(a) At the same date he and his elder brother Gilbert entered into recognisances for 4,000 marks each, to be levied in Salop, to be of good behaviour. It has been suggested that his imprisonment may have been connected with the rising of Sir John Oldcastle, but his appointment as a Commissioner to arrest Lollards and to enforce the Statute of Leicester makes this improbable. He may have been committed to the Tower and subsequently appointed Lieutenant of Ireland to stop a feud between him and the Earl of Arundel arising from a dispute about some land in Shropshire. On the day on which he was committed to the Tower, Arundel entered into a recognisance for 10,000 marks to be of good behaviour, and Edmund, Earl of March, John, Earl Marshal, and Sir William de Roos entered into like cognisances for Arundel's good behaviour.

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From: Douglas Richardson ([email protected])
Subject: CP Correction: Marriage of John Talbot, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury, and Maud Neville
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2003-05-16 10:09:58 PST


Dear Newsgroup ~

Complete Peerage 11 (1949): 702 (sub Shrewsbury) states that John Talbot (died 1453), 1st Earl of Shrewsbury, married as his first wife before 12 March 1406/7 Maud Neville, elder daughter of Thomas Neville, Lord Furnival. No source is provided for the date of this marriage, which is a rather unusual oversight for Complete Peerage.

I've recently encountered a London record which indicates that John and Maud Talbot were actually married before 8 March 1406[/7]. On this date they were suing John Penros regarding their free tenement in the parish of St. Andrew Holborne [Reference: A.H. Thomas, Select Pleas and Memoranda of the City of London, A.D. 1381-1412, published 1932, pg. 279].

Maud (Neville) Talbot inherited this tenement from her grandfather, William Furnival, who in turn acquired the tenement in 1350 [see Husting Roll, 104 (76) (77) 149) (150)]. According to the editor, Mr. Thomas, the tenement was known as "Fournyvalles Inne" and consisted of 2 messuages and 13 shops. Maud's father, Thomas Neville, Lord Furnival, was suing Maud's widowed grandmother, Thomasine Furnival, for the same tenement the previous year (see Thomas, ibid., pg. 276).

John Talbot and Maud Neville are in the ancestry of two New World immigrants as follows:

1. Robert Abell

2. Grace Chetwode

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

E-mail: [email protected]

John married Margaret BEAUCHAMP, Baroness Lisle on 6 Sep 1425 in Warwick Castle, Warwick, Warwickshire, England. Margaret (daughter of Richard De BEAUCHAMP, Earl Of Warwick and Elizabeth De BERKELEY, Ctss Warwick) was born in 1404 in Goodrest In Wedgnock Park, Warwickshire, England; died on 14 Jun 1467 in Jesus Chapel, St Paul's, London, England; was buried in Jun 1467. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• _UID: 36534DBEC4EE480FA3A94BA1BA3F3A0C149D

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MARGARET, the eldest coheir, was born at Goodrest, in Wedgnock Park, near Warwick, in 1404. She married, 6 September 1425, at Warwick Castle, as 2nd wife, John (TALBOT), EARL OF SHREWSBURY. She and her husband violently resisted the succession of James Berkeley (Lord Berkeley), the heir male, to Berkeley Castle and its apurtenances. They seized and imprisoned him till he signed certain disadvantageous deeds, and later imprisoned his third wife, Isabel, at Gloucester, where she died in 1452. They took as hostage a younger son, who fell at the battle of Chatillon, where John, Earl of Shrewsbury, his captor, was also slain, 17 July 1453. Margaret was reconciled to James, Lord Berkeley, shortly before his death in 1463, but renewed her claims against his son William. She died 14 June 1467, and was buried in Jesus Chapel in St. Paul's. [Complete Peerage VIII:55, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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Lady Margaret Beauchamp (died 14 June 1467), eldest daughter and coheir of Richard, Earl of Warwick by his 1st wife Elizabeth (only child of 5th Lord (Baron) Berkeley of the 1295 creation, and deemed by later doctrine to have been Baroness Berkeley and Baroness Lisle in her own right, though on her death, they would have fallen into abeyance between her three daughter and coheirs even by the same later doctrine. [Burke's Peerage]

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Note: Margaret's step daughter, Joan Talbot's, husband, James Berkeley's, prior wife, Isabel de Mowbray (daughter of the Duke of Norfolk), died while a prisoner in Margaret's custody [Margaret's husband, John Talbot, was still alive at the time of Isabel's death 27 Sep 1452, but he was off in France, where he eventually died in 1453, so I don't know if he had much to do with it]. There is obviously a story there. Joan Talbot is said by Burke's Peerage to be daughter (not step-daughter) of Margaret.

Note: Isabel de Mowbray died in the custody of Margaret de Beauchamp because of a prolonged feud over the estates of Thomas de Berkeley and Margaret de Lisle. The feud ended 20 March 1469/70 with the Battle of Nibley Green in which James de Berkeley & Isabel de Mowbray's eldest son William 1st/last Marquess de Berkeley killed Margaret de Beauchamp & John Talbot's grandson Sir Thomas Talbot, 2nd/last Viscount Lisle. Margaret & John Talbot's son Sir John, 1st Viscount Lisle, was killed with his father at the Battle of Castillon, pretty much wiping out the male line from Margaret & John. See notes under James de Berkeley & William de Berkeley.

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• FamilySearch ID: 29Y9-CR1
• Title (Nobility): ; Baron of Wexford
• Name: Richard TALBOT
• _UID: 023084EF7DF64482BF423D74BC093E17AA09
• Occupation: 1384; Member of Parliament

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Sir Richard Talbot, 4th Lord (Baron) Talbot, also 1st Lord (Baron) Talbot of Blackmere, so created by writ of summons vp 3 March 1383/4, seemingly as a fresh creation albeit the territorial designation of the writ was worded as though in right of his wife; born c1361; knighted 1377; married by 23 Aug 1383 Ankaret (married 2nd as his 2nd wife Thomas Nevill(e), 5th Lord (Baron) Furnivall(e)/Nevill of Halumshire, and died 1 June 1413), sister and eventually sole heiress of John, 5th Lord (Baron) Strange (of Blackmere), thus becoming according to later doctrine Baroness Strange (of Blackmere) in her own right, and died 8 or 9 Sep 1396. [Burke's Peerage, p. 2604]

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Sir Richard Talbot, Lord Talbot, b. c 1361, d. 7-8 Sep 1396; m. bef. 12 Aug 1383 Ankaret Lestrange. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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BARONY OF TALBOT (IV)

RiCHARD (TALBOT), LORD TALBOT, son and heir, by 1st wife, was born about 1361; knighted by Richard II at his Coronation, 16 July 1377; was in Ireland with Edmund, Earl of March, January 1380/1. He was summoned to Parliament v.p., in consequence of his marriage to the heiress of Strange (of Blackmere), from 3 March 1383/4 to 17 December 1387, by writs directed Ricardo Talbot de Blakemere, whereby he is held to have become LORD TALBOT (of Blackmere). Having succeeded his father, 24 April 1387, he was summoned to Parliament also on 17 December 1387, by writ directed Ricardo Talbot de Godriche Castell; and he continued to be so summoned (and no longer as of Blackmere, until 13 November 1393. With his father he was summoned 13 June 1385, to be at Newcastle-on-Tyne, 14 July, for service against the Scots. Orders were given, 18 June 1387, for him to have full seisin of his father's lands, his homage being respited till Michaelmas following. After the death of John (de Hastinges), 3rd Earl of Pembroke, 30 or 31 December 1389, Lord Talbot was awarded the Honor of Wexford in Ireland, as coheir through Elizabeth Comyn, wife of the 2nd Lord Talbot. He was a Commissioner of array for Salop, 1 March 1391/2; and was in Ireland on the King's service, February 1394/5.

He married, before 23 August 1381 Ankaret, suo jure, according to modern doctrine, BARONESS STRANGE (of Blackmere), only daughter (who on 23 August 1383 became sole heir) of John (LESTRANGE), IV LORD STRANGE (of Blackmere), by Mary, daughter of Richard (FITZALAN), EARL OF ARUNDEL. He died 8 or 9 September 1396 in London, aged about 35. His widow, who was aged 22 in 1383, married, as his 2nd wife, between 8 March and 4 July 1401, Thomas (NEVILLE), LORD FURNIVALLE, who died s.p.m., 14 March 1406/7. She died 1 June 1413, aged about 52. [Complete Peerage XII/1:616-17, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

Note: Ankaret's mother, Mary, was the daughter of Edmund, the 9th earl of Arundel, not Richard, the 10th earl (see Arundel, vol.1, p.244, note b). [Some Correction and Additions to the Complete Peerage]

Richard married Ankaret Baroness Le STRANGE in 1381 in Herefordshire, England. Ankaret (daughter of John 4Th Baron Le STRANGE, Of Blackmere, Sir and Mary (Isabel) FITZALAN) was born in Apr 1361 in Whitchurch, Shropshire, England; died on 1 Jun 1413; was buried after 1 Jun 1413 in Whitchurch, Shropshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• FamilySearch ID: MYDN-HHR
• Title (Nobility): ; 7th Baroness of Blackmere
• Title (Nobility): ; Countess of Shrewsbury
• Name: Anghared
• Name: Matilda
• Name: Maud
• _UID: 5CFDFCDF64924CB49BD2D15C99460B87350B
• Alt. Death: 1 Jun 1413, Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England

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Ankaret (married 2nd as his 2nd wife Thomas Nevill(e), 5th Lord (Baron) Furnivall(e)/Nevill of Halumshire, and died 1 June 1413), sister and eventually sole heiress of John, 5th Lord (Baron) Strange (of Blackmere), thus becoming according to later doctrine Baroness Strange (of Blackmere) in her own right. [Burke's Peerage]

Ankaret, daughter and eventual heir of 1st Lord (Baron) Strange or Lestrange of the 1360 creation and widow of Lord (Baron) Talbot (of Blackmere). [Burke's Peerage, p. 14]

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Ankaret Lestrange, b. 1361 (age 22 in Aug 1383), d. 1 June 1413; m. (1) bef. 23 Aug 1383, Sir Richard Talbot. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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He [Richard Talbot] married, before 23 August 1381 Ankaret, suo jure, according to modern doctrine, BARONESS STRANGE (of Blackmere), only daughter (who on 23 August 1383 became sole heir) of John (LESTRANGE), IV LORD STRANGE (of Blackmere), by Mary, daughter of Richard (FITZALAN), EARL OF ARUNDEL. He died 8 or 9 September 1396 in London, aged about 35. His widow, who was aged 22 in 1383, married, as his 2nd wife, between 8 March and 4 July 1401, Thomas (NEVILLE), LORD FURNIVALLE, who died s.p.m., 14 March 1406/7. She died 1 June 1413, aged about 52. [Complete Peerage XII/1:616-17, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

Note: Ankaret's mother, Mary, was the daughter of Edmund, the 9th earl of Arundel, not Richard, the 10th earl (see Arundel, vol.1, p.244, note b). [Some Correction and Additions to the Complete Peerage]

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• Name: 13th Earl Of WARWICK
• _UID: 5237A07C9FB043A79660FF01532C38B43F29

Notes:

Richard de Beauchamp (son of Thomas de Beauchamp and Margaret Ferrers), 13th Earl of Warwick, KG (1403); knighted 1399; fought against Owen Glendower in Wales 1403, Capt Calais Feb 1413/4, took charge of prisoners en route to Calais Sep-Oct 1415, hence (pace Shakespeare) absent at time of Agincourt; participated, however, in successful sea Battle of Harfleur 1416; also at Sieges of Caen 1417, Caudebec 1418 and Rouen Jan 1418/9, created 19 May 1419 Count of Aumale (part of Henry V's policy of creating English nobles with French titles and fiefs in English-occupied France); undertook further Sieges of Melun 1420 and Meaux 1421, also Gamaches 1422 and St Valery-sur-Somme; Capt Rouen by end of Jan 1422/3; took Pontorson, Brittany 1427; beaten by French at Battle of Montargis Sep 1427; victor over French at Beauvais 1431; appointed by Henry VI Lt and Governor of France and Normandy 1437; married 1st by 5 Oct 1397 Elizabeth (dspm 28 Dec 1422), Baroness Berkeley, Lisle and Teyes in her own right, only daughter of 5th Lord (Baron) Berkeley, and had [Margaret, Eleanor, & Elizabeth]. The 13th Earl married 2nd 26 Nov 1423 Isabel, Baroness Burghersh in her own right, widow of his cousin Richard de Beuachamp, Earl of Worcester, and sister and heir of Richard le Despenser, de jure Lord (Baron) Burghersh, and died 30 April 1439 (his tomb at Warwick being justly famous for its beauty and splendour), leaving by her [Henry, 14th Earl of Warwick, and 1st/last Duke of Warwick, dsps 11 June 1464; and Anne]. [Burke's Peerage]

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EARLDOM of WARWICK (XIII) 1401

RICHARD (DE BEAUCHAMP), EARL OF WARWICK, also hereditary Sheriff of Worcestershire and Chamberlain of the Exchequer, son and heir, was born 25 or 28 January 1381/2 at Salwarpe, co. Worcester, his sponsors being Richard II and Richard le Scrope, afterwards Archbishop of York. He was knighted, 11 October 1399, at the Coronation of Henry IV; served in Wales against Owen Glendower in 1402; had livery of his lands, 13 February 1402/3; took part in the battle of Shrewsbury, 21 July 1403, and was nominated K.G., probably on the following day. He was made Joint Keeper, with Lord Audley, of Brecknock Castle, 24 October 1403-19, February 1403-4; was with the Prince of Wales at Worcester, June 1404; a Commissioner for the trial of Archbishop Scrope and the Earl Marshal, June 1405, receiving a grant for life of Swansea Castle and the lordship of Gower, forfeited by the Earl Marshal, 29 August following; and was at the siegre of Aberystwyth, September 1407. Under licence of 5 April 1408 he travelled abroad for 2 years, making pilgrimages to Rome and to the Holy Land and performing notable feats of arms at Verona and elsewhere. On his return he was appointed a member of the Council, 9 May 1410, being present therein, 16 June following; a Commissioner to treat with the Scots, 23 May 1411; Steward of England for the Coronation of Henry V, appointed 2 April 1413, and Deputy Steward (for the Duke of Clarence) at that of Queen Katherine, 23 February 1420/1; Commissioner to treat with Burgundy and France, 14 July 1413; Captain of Calais and Governor of the Marches of Picardy, 3 February 1413/4; joint Ambassador to the Council of Constance and to the Emperor, 20 October 1414, and Chief Commissioner to treat with Burgundy, 7 August 1415; Chief Warden of the Marches of Wales adjoining cos. Hereford and Gloucester, 16 June 1415. Though present at the siege of Harfleur, August-September 1415, he is said to have gone to Calais, with the Duke of Clarence, in charge of prisoners after its capture, 22 September, and (despite Shakespeare) he did not fight at Agincourt, 24 October 1415. The following year he received the Emperor Sigismund at Calais, April, and took part in the naval victory off Harfleur, 15 August 1416; Commissioner to treat with Burgundy, 5 August, and with the French Ambassadors at Calais, 31 August 1416. Accompanying Henry V to France, July 1417, he was at the siege of Caen, August-September following, and himself besieged and captured Domfront, Apr.-July, and Caudebec, September 1418, before returning to the siege of Rouen, for whose surrender, 19 January 1418/9, he was appointed Chief Commissioner. He was made Captain of Beauvais, 2 February 1418/9, and forced La Roche Guyon to capitulate after a 2 months' siege, 1 May following. On 19 May 1419, while the King was at Vernon, he received a grant of the comt? of Aumale, with remainder to the heirs male of his body, whereby he became COUNT OF AUMALE, in Normandy. For the next year he was continually employed in the negotiations for a truce which led to the treaty of Troyes, 21 May, and the marriage of Henry V to Katherine of France, 2 June 1420. Later he took part in the sieges of Melun, July-November 1420, and Meaux, October 1421, for whose surrender, 10 May 1422, he was a Commissioner. Keeper for life of Moulton Park, co. Northampton, 20 December 1421. He himself besieged and forced the surrender of Gamaches, 12 June 1422, and St. Val?ry-sur-Somme, 4 September following, and he was present at the death-bed of Henry V, 30-31 August 1422, to whom he was an executor. Under Henry VI he was present in Council, 5 November, and was made a Councillor of Regency, 9 December 1422; Captain of Rouen, before 31 January 1422/3, and again of Calais, 10 July (as from 4 February) 1423 and 1 March 1424/5; joint Guardian of the truce with Scotland, 28 March 1424, and again in 1426 and 1430. As Captain and Lieutenant General of the King and the Regent in the field, 1426-27, he besieged and captured Pontorson, in Brittany, January-May 1427, but, with the Earl of Suffolk) was completely defeated by the Bastard of Orleans before Montargis, 5 September following. From 1 June 1428 till 19 May 1436 he was Tutor and Governor to the young King, whom he bore to Westminster Abbey for his Coronation, 6 November 1429, and whom he accompanied to France, April, for his Coronation in Notre Dame, Paris, 16 December 1430. Captain of Meaux before 1 November 1430. He defeated the French in a notable skirmish near Beauvais 11 August 1431; was Lieutenant in the field in the absence of the Regent, 1435; and accompanied the Duke of Gloucester in his foray into Flanders from Calais, August 1436. Ranger of Wychwood Forest, 21 November 1433; Constable of Bristol, 11 July 1437. He was, 16 July 1437, made Lieutenant General and Governor of France and Normandy, setting sail thereto, 29 August, where, within 2 years' time, he died, his position being one of great peril and anxiety.

He married, 1stly (covenant September 1392), before 5 October 1397, Elizabeth, de jure suo jure (according to modern doctrine) BARONESS BERKELEY, also BARONESS LISLE (of Kingston Lisle) and BARONESS TEYES, only daughter and heir of Thomas (DE BERKELEY), 5th LORD BERKELEY, by Margaret, de jure suo jure (according to modern doctrine) BARONESS LISLE (of Kingston Lisle) and BARONESS TEYES, only daughter and heir of Warin (DE LISLE), 2nd LORD LISLE (of Kingston Lisle) and LORD TEYES. She, who was under 7 in 1392, died s.p.m. 18 December 1422 and was buried in Kingswood Abbey, co. Gloucester. M.I. On her death the Baronies of Berkeley, Lisle and Teyes fell, according to modern doctrine, into abeyance between her 3 daughters and coheirs. He married, 2ndly, 26 November 1423, at Hanley Castle, co. Worcester, Isabel, de jure suo jure (according to modern doctrine) BARONESS BURGHERSH, widow of his cousin Richard (DE BEAUCHAMP), EARL OF WORCESTER (who died s.p.m. March 1422), sister and heir of Richard (LE DESPENSER), de jure LORD BURGHERSH (who died s.p. 7 October 1414), posthumous daughter and eventually sole heir of Thomas (LE DESPENSER), EARL OF GLOUCESTER and LORD LE DESPENSER (who was beheaded, January 1399/1400, and afterwards attainted] by Constance, daughter of Edmund, "of Langley," DUKE OF YORK, 5th son of EDWARD III. He died 30 April 1439 at Rouen, aged 57, and was buried 4 October in St. Mary's, Warwick, being afterwards removed to the Lady Chapel (built by his executors), where is a superb monument to him. His widow, who was born 26 July 1400 at Cardiff, died 27 December 1439 at the Friars Minoresses, London, and was buried 13 January 1439/40 in Tewkesbury Abbey, aged 39. M.I. [Complete Peerage XII/2:378-82, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

Richard married Elizabeth De BERKELEY, Ctss Warwick before 5 Oct 1397 in 1st Wife. Elizabeth (daughter of Thomas De BERKELEY, 5th Lord and Margaret De L'ISLE) was born about 1385 in Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, England; died on 28 Dec 1422. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Gilbert married Petronilla Pernel BUTLER. Petronilla was born about 1332 in Diocese of Kerry, Munster, Ireland; was christened in 1338 in Policott, Buckinghamshire, England; died on 23 Apr 1368 in Hereford, Herefordshire, England; was buried in 1368. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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John Lestrange, 1st Lord (Baron) Strange or Lestrange of a new creation by writ of summons 3 April 1360, JP (Salop 1360); Lady Mary FitzAlan (died 29 Aug 1396), daughter of 10th/3rd Earl of Arundel, and died 12 May 1361. [Burke's Peerage]

Note John's elder brother Fulk was 3rd Baron of their father's creation. He dspm 30 Aug 1349, and technically his barony went into abeyance. Thus John was 1st Baron of a new creation, but I am still calling him 4th Baron.

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John Lestraunge [sic.], born c Easter 1322, died 12 May 1361, MP 1360, 4th Lord Strange of Blackmere. [Magna Charta Sureties]

John married Mary (Isabel) FITZALAN in 1352 in England. Mary (daughter of Richard "Copped Hat" FITZALAN and Isabel LE DESPENCER) was born about 1323 in Corfham, Shropshire, England; died on 29 Aug 1396. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Alt. Birth: Abt 1332, Corfham, Shropshire, England; Alt. Birth
• Alt. Birth: Abt 1332, Of Corfham, Shropshire, England; Alt. Birth
• Alt. Death: 29 Aug 1396; Alt. Death
• Alt. Death: 29 Aug 1396; Alt. Death

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Lady Mary FitzAlan (died 29 Aug 1396), daughter of 10th/3rd Earl of Arundel. [Burke's Peerage]

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Mary (Isabel) fitz Alan, d. 29 Aug 1396; [m.] John Lestraunge [sic.], b. c Easter 1322, d. 12 May 1361, MP 1360, 4th Lord Strange of Blackmere. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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Note: In "Some corrections and additions to the Complete Peerage", www. medievalgenalogy.org.uk, it states "Mary was the daughter of Edmund, the 9th Earl of Arundel, not Richard the 10th Earl (see Arundel, vol 1, p. 244, note b)." This would also correct Burke's as well any other book that uses CP as a source.

Following is the discussion of the evidence:

CP Corrections, Volume 14, p.596 retains the identification of John Strange's wife Mary as a daughter of Richard, the 10th earl, but mentions Margaret Aston's argument, in Thomas Arundel, chart following p.436 (1967), that Mary was instead the daughter of Edmund, the 9th earl. It adds that if this were so, Mary would have been aged about 40 when her son John was born.

Margaret Aston cites two records that place Mary as a sister - not a daughter - of Richard, the 10th earl: (i) in a petition to the Pope in 1364, she calls herself "Mary la Straunge, lady of Corfham, widow, and sister of the Earl of Arundell" [Cal. Papal Petitions, 1342-1419, p.484] and (ii) in Richard's will he refers to her as his sister [Reg. Sudbury, Lambeth, f.95v, cited by Aston, loc. cit.].

A third independent piece of evidence is an agreement between the attorneys of Richard, earl of Arundel and Surrey, and the attorneys of Isabel, late the wife of John Lestrange of Blakemere, concerning Isabel's dower, which refers to this John [Mary's son] as the earl's nephew, which "agreement shall be affirmed in the king's chancery" [Cat. Ancient Deeds vol. 3, C3059: English abstract of a French original]. This agreement is undated, but was probably made soon after 28 November 1375, when an order was enrolled to the escheator in Shropshire, to take an oath from Isabel not to marry without the king's licence, and to assign her dower in the presence of Richard, earl of Arundel, or his attorneys, sending the assignment under seal to be enrolled in chancery [Cal. Close Rolls 1374-77, p.176]. A note was later added to the agreement, recording the delivery of dower by the assent of Richard, now earl of Arundel, and the other executors of Richard, the former earl [who had died in January, 1375/6]. This was perhaps in June 1376, when following Isabel's unlicenced remarriage it was ordered that she should have her dower with the "assent of Richard now earl of Arundell and other the executors of Richard late earl of Arundell" [Cal. Close Rolls 1374-77, p.378].

As to the chronology, Mary's son John Lestrange was born in the early 1350s [Complete Peerage volume 12, part 1, p. 344], while Edmund, the 9th earl of Arundel, married while a minor in 1305 and was executed in 1326. From this it appears that Mary could have been under 30 when John was born. (However, Mary's daughter Ankaret, the eventual heir, was born later, about 1361 [p.345].)

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Thomas de Beauchamp [2nd son, eldest son Guy dspm & vp 28 April 1360], 12th Earl of Warwick, KG (1373); born by 16 March 1338/9; Hereditary Sheriff of Worcs and Pantler at Coronations, knighted 1355, Admiral of the Fleet towards the North 1377, Guardian of Richard II c Feb 1379/80, one of the Lords Appellant who overthrew Richard II's advisers 1387-89, arrested on a charge of high treason against Richard II 1397, following which his estates and honours were forfeited, but restored on accession of Henry IV; married by April 1381 Margaret, daughter of 3rd Lord (Baron) Ferrers (of Groby), and died 8 April 1401. [Burke's Peerage]

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EARLDOM OF WARWICK (XII) 1369

THOMAS (DE BEAUCHAMP), defacto EARL OF WARWICK, also hereditary Sheriff of Worcestershire and Chamberlain of the Exchequer, 2nd but 1st surviving son and heir male, was born before 16 March 1338/9; knighted, with his brother Guy, July 1355; was granted for his good service a pension of 100 marks, 26 November following; was going to Prussia, with his brother William, November 1367, and to Brittany, May 1368; and had seisin of his inheritance as heir male of entail, 7 February 1369/70. He was sent with the Earl of Suffolk to Cherbourg, July 1370, to escort the King of Navarre to England; sailed with the King's unsuccessful expedition for the relief of Rochelle and Thouars, August 1372; nominated K.G. 1373; took part in John of Gaunt's historic but fruitless march from Calais to Bordeaux, August-December 1373, and in the descent on Brittany, 1375; Chief Commissioner to enforce the truce with Scotland, 29 January and 29 July 1375, and a Commissioner for the same, 6 September 1380. In the "Good Parliament" of 1376 and in those of February and October 1377 he was a Commissioner appointed by the Lords to act with the Commons for reform. At the Coronation of Richard II, 16 July 1377, he carried the third sword and exercised his hereditary office of Pantler. He was appointed Admiral of the fleet towards the North, 5 December 1377; Guardian of the King communi sententia, circa Februaty 1379/80; a Commissioner of retrenchment, 2 March following; and he was going to Ireland with the Earl of March April 1380. During the Peasants' Revolt, June 1381, he was with the King in the Tower and was later sent, with Sir Thomas Percy, to protect St. Albans Abbey. In 1385 he accompanied Richard II on his only expedition into Scotland. On 14 November 1387 the Earls of Gloucester, Warwick and Arundel, having taken up arms, "appealed" of treason the King's advisers, the Duke of Ireland (de Vere) and the Earl of Suffolk; and, with the Earl of Derby, they trapped and defeated de Vere at Radcot Bridge, 20 December following. In the "Merciless Parliament" that followed, February 1387/8, these Lords Appellant, including Warwick, impeached de Vere and Suffolk and other leaders of the King's party, some of whom were executed. They further obtained a grant of ?20,000 for themselves, 2 June 1388, and, having introduced some reforms, remained in power till May 1389. After some years of retirement and as a result of a law-suit in 1396, he was compelled to hand over Gower and Swansea Castle to the Earl of Nottingham, 1 June 1397. Possibly as a result of this he may have joined in the alleged plot of Gloucester and Arundel (which was betrayed to Richard Il by Nottingham), for which he was arrested in the house of the Bishop of Exeter at Temple Bar on a charge of high treason and committed, 12 July 1397, to the Tower of London and afterwards to Tintagel Castle, Cornwall. At his trial in Parliament, 28 September following, he confessed his treason and pleaded guilty, whereby accordingly his honours and estates were forfeited and he himself banished to the Isle of Man under guard of William (le Scrope), Earl of Wiltshire, who treated him harshly. Being liberated on the accession of Henry IV, at whose Coronation, 13 October 1399, he bore the third sword, he was restored in Parliament, 19 November following. He became a member of the Council, before 4 December 1399, accompanied the King against the rebel Earls, January 1399/1400, and was at Shrewsbury, with the Archbishop of Canterbury and Duke of York, 15 October 1400.

He married, before April 1381, Margaret, daughter of William (FERRERS), 3rd LORD FERRERS (of Groby), by his 1st wife, Margaret, sister and (in her issue) coheir of William, 2nd EARL OF SUFFOLK, 3rd daughter of Robert (DE UFFORD), 1st EARL OF SUFFOLK. He died 8 April 1401, aged over 62, and was buried in St. Mary's, Warwick. M.I. She died 22 January 1406/7 and was buried with him. M.I. [Complete Peerage XII/2:375-8, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

Thomas married Margaret FERRERS before Apr 1381. Margaret and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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OCCUPATION: Lord Berkeley; member Parliment 1381-1415; served in the wars in France, Spain, Brittany and Scotland. Married (age 15), Nov 1367OCCUPATION: Lord Berkeley

Thomas married Margaret De L'ISLE in Nov 1367 in Wingrave, Buckingham, Eng (Him Age 15). Margaret (daughter of Warin De L'ISLE, Lord and Margaret PYPARD) was born in in Of King Lisle, Berk, ENG; died on 20 Mar 1391-1392. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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