John 4Th Baron De Audley TUCHET, Of Heleigh, Sir

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• Name: John 4Th Baron De Audley TOUCHET
• _UID: 000DE3755805465CB0C6B19F30B2235A890E

Notes:

Sir John Tuchet, b. 23 April 1371, d. 19 Dec 1408, 2nd Lord Tuchet, MP 1406-1408; m. Isabel, living 3 May 1405. [Magna Charta Sureties]

Note: I think that Burke's keeps the numbering consistant with the original Baron Audley, because they name the next generation "James Touchet/Tuchet, 5th Baron Audley", whereas MCS and some others start the numbering over when the Tuchet/Touchet family took over the Barony. I will stick with Burke's when it comes to titles.

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BARONY OF TUCHET (I)

JOHN TUCHET, son and heir, born 23 April 1371, was one of the 3 coheirs of Nicholas, Lord Audley, who died s.p. 22 July 1391. He was appointed in 1394 on a Commission of Enquiry and in 1401 was a Commissioner of Peace in Derbyshire. During the Welsh wars against Owen Glendower he was ordered to muster at Hereford, 27 August 1404 and was in the Prince of Wales's muster at Shrewsbury, 1403, with 20 squires and 10 archers. After that battle (21 July) he was appointed, 23 July 1403, with 4 others, to govern the marches towards Wales and resist Glendower; and was also Keeper of Llandovery Castle, 8 September 1403. He was summoned to Parliament on 20 October 1403, by writ directed Johanni Tochet, and from 25 August 1404 to 26 August 1407, by writs directed Johanni Tuchet, whereby he is held to have become LORD TUCHET or TOCHET. However, he was never so called but was frequently styled LORD AUDLEY in official documents. He was joint Keeper (with the Earl of Warwick) of Brecknock Castle, 24 October 1403-19 February 1403/4, and sole Keeper thereof, 14 October 1404. On 10 October 1404 he was at Coventry with 30 squires and 60 archers; and he was present at the surrender of Aberystwith, 12 September 1407. He married Elizabeth (or Isabel) and died 19 December 1408, aged 37. His widow, Elizabeth, was to be assigned dower, 3 May 1409, but nothing was done. [Complete Peerage XII/2:60-1, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

BARONY OF AUDLEY (IV)

JOHN TUCHET, great nephew and coheir, being son and heir of John Tuchet, who was son and heir of Sir John Tuchet of Markeaton, co. Derby, (slain at Rochelle, 1371), by Joan, sister of the whole blood of Nicholas, 3rd Lord Audley. He was born 23 April 1371, and was 20 years old at the death of his said great uncle, in 1391, to whom he was found one of his next heirs. He was in the Welsh wars against Glendower, and was summoned to Parliament as a Baron [LORD AUDLEY] 20 Oct 1403 to 26 Aug 1407, the writs being probably terminated in his favour; the writ was, however, directed (merely) Johanni Tuchet (LORD TUCHET?). According to modern doctrine, which was not then invented, the issue of a writ would probably be regarded as terminating the abeyance (then unknown) in the Barony of Audley. He married, Isabel, who was living June 1405. He died in December 1408, aged about 38. [Complete Peerage I:340-41 XIV:51, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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In a post to SGM, 2 Apr 2002, Douglas Richardson provides an entry from his forthcoming book "Plantagenet Ancestry" which identifies John's wife Elizabeth:

In answer to your question, the wife of John Tuchet, Knt., 4th Lord Audley, was Elizabeth Stafford, a hitherto unidentified daughter of Humphrey Stafford, Knt., of Amblecote, Bramshall, and Perton, co. Stafford, by his lst wife, Alice, daughter and heiress of John Grenville, Knt. Elizabeth Stafford has Carolingian ancestry through her paternal grandmother, Margaret (Stafford) Stafford, who was a daughter of Ralph Stafford, lst Earl of Stafford, by his lst wife, Katherine Hastang.

Complete Peerage sub Audley states that John Tuchet's wife's given was Isabel, but the records I have found of this woman all call her Elizabeth. This includes her assignment of dower and her inquisition post mortem. Exactly why the editor picked the name Isabel is a complete mystery to me.

Below please find a record of John Tuchet, Knt., and his wife, Elizabeth Stafford, which is taken from my forthcoming book, Plantagenet Ancestry, 3rd edition.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

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I. JOHN TUCHET, Knt., of Ashwell, Markeaton, Leegomery, etc., and Buglawton and Newhall, co. Chester, Keeper of Llandovery Castle, Keeper of Brecknock Castle, son and heir, born 23 Apr. 1371. He was co-heir in 1391 to his great-uncle, Nicholas Audley, 3rd Lord Audley, by which he inherited a 1/3 share in the Audley barony, including the Castle and lordship of Heleigh, co. Stafford, and the Castle and lordship of Newport (in Camois), co. Pembroke. He married before 1398 ELIZABETH STAFFORD, daughter of Humphrey Stafford, Knt., of Amblecote, Bramshall, and Perton, co. Stafford, by his 1st wife, Alice, daughter and heiress of John Grenville, Knt., of Southwick. They had three children, James [5th Lord Audley], Margaret (wife of John Luttrell), and Elizabeth (wife of John Baskerville, Knt., of Eardisley, co. Hereford). He was in the Welsh wars against Owen Glendower. He was summoned to Parliament on 20 Oct. 1403 by writ directed Johanni Tochet, and from 25 Aug. 1404 to 26 Aug. 1407 by writs directed Johanni Tuchet. He was frequently styled Lord Audley in official documents, although never summoned to Parliament as such. JOHN TUCHET, 4th Lord Audley, died 19 Dec. 1408. In 1409 the King requested that his widow?s brother, Humphrey Stafford the younger, deliver her son and heir to his custody. In 1436 Thomas Stawell sued Elizabeth, late the wife of John Tuchet, Knt., her son, James Tuchet, Knt., her brother, John Stafford, Bishop of Bath and Wells, and William Lee for the manors of Nether Stowey, Honeybare, etc., Somerset. She died 1446-7 (date of her Inq.p.m.).

References:

Ormerod 1 (1819): 489, 3: 23-24.
Papal Letters, 1404-1415 (1904), pg. 16.
C.P. 1 (1910): 340-341.
Col. G.D. Stawell A Quantock Family (1910), pp. 42-43.
Genealogist n.s. 36 (1920): 9-22.
Cal. Close Rolls, 1405-1419 (1931), pp. 438,483.
VCH Rutland 2 (1935): 108-109.
VCH Shropshire 8 (1968): 228-229.
C.P. 12 Pt. 2 (1959): 60-61 (sub Tuchet).
VCH Shropshire 11 (1985): 219.
Bodine (1995), pg. 31.
Genealogist n.s. 18: 26.

John married Elizabeth (Isabel) De STAFFORD before 1398. Elizabeth was born about 1375 in Amblecote, Stourbridge, Staffordshire, England; died after Jun 1405. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Sir. James TOUCHET, Baron was born about 1392 in Heleigh Castle, Audley, Staffordshire, England; died on 23 Sep 1459 in Battle Of Blore Heath, Shropshire, England.
2. Elizabeth TUCHET was born about 1406 in Heleigh, Staffordshire, England; and died.

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• Name: John TOUCHET
• _UID: DCA429EA4A9345B8A442D74A4AAD68D0A3A8

Notes:

John Tuchet, slain off La Rochelle 23 June 1372; said to have m. Margaret, daughter of Sir Roger Mortimer, 2nd Earl of March, d. bef. 3 Nov 1405. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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JOHN TUCHET, son and heir, was a minor at his father's death. He served under the Earl of Pembroke in Poitou and Anjou in 1369, being present at the affair of Puirenon in that year; and in June 1372 he sailed with the Earl from England with reinforcements for Aquitaine. He married, before 1371, Maud. He was slain in the naval battle off La Rochelle, 23 June 1372, when the Earl of Pembroke's ship was captured by the Spaniards, the Earl himself being taken prisoner. His widow married, before 31 August 1381, John DABRIDGEC0URT, and died before 3 November 1405. [Complete Peerage XII/2:59-60, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

John married Margaret (Margery\Maud) MORTIMER before 1371 in 1st Husband. Margaret was born in 1352 in Wigmore, Ludlow, Herefordshire, England; died before 3 Nov 1405. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• _UID: B45916F7FFE541999B365B4FB3185B53CC08

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He [John Tuchet] married, before 1371, Maud. He was slain in the naval battle off La Rochelle, 23 June 1372, when the Earl of Pembroke's ship was captured by the Spaniards, the Earl himself being taken prisoner. His widow married, before 31 August 1381, John DABRIDGEC0URT, and died before 3 November 1405. [Complete Peerage XII/2:59-60, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

Note: Both Ancestral Roots and Magna Charta Sureties state that "Maud" is said to be Margaret de Mortimer.

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• Name: John TOUCHET
• _UID: CC0898F8503545948C4AEA5DED84DE4B7907

Notes:

Sir John Tuchet, of Markeaton, co. Derby, b. 25 July 1327, d. shortly bef. 10 Jan 1361/2, son of Thomas Tuchet and Joan. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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JOHN TUCHET, son and heir, born 25 July 1327, was given seisin of his father's lands on 24 February 1350/1. He represented his father in France in 1346-47, serving as a knight in the retinue of William de Bohun, Earl of Northampton, and campaigned in Gascony, 1355-56, with the household of Thomas de Beauchamp, Earl of Warwick. He had returned to England by the autumn of 1357. Between 11 and 25 August 1361 he presented to Middlewich. He married Joan, 2nd daughter of James (DE AUDLEY, or ALDITHLEY), 2nd LORD AUDLEY, by his 1st wife, Joan, daughter of Roger (DE MORTIMER), 1st EARL OF MARCH. He died shortly before 10 January 1361/2. [Complete Peerage XII/2:59, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

John married Joan De AUDLEY. Joan (daughter of James 2Nd Baron De AUDLEY, Of Heleigh, Kg, Sir and Joane De MORTIMER) was born about 1332 in Heleigh Castle, Audley, Staffordshire, England; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• _UID: 8DA20B880C2F48E89C0F5939EDDF825B1389

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Joan Audley; m. Sir John Tuchet, of Markeaton, co. Derby, b. 25 July 1327, d. shortly bef. 10 Jan 1361/2, son of Thomas Tuchet and Joan. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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He [John Tuchet] married Joan, 2nd daughter of James (DE AUDLEY, or ALDITHLEY), 2nd LORD AUDLEY, by his 1st wife, Joan, daughter of Roger (DE MORTIMER), 1st EARL OF MARCH. He died shortly before 10 January 1361/2. [Complete Peerage XII/2:59, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]