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Carney & Wehofer Family
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 Abt 1234 - Aft 1295 (~ 61 years)
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| Name |
Helen Verch LLEWELYN [1, 2, 3] |
| Born |
Abt 1234 |
Caernarvonshire, Walesey, Wales  |
| Gender |
Female |
| Alt. Death |
Aft 1291 [3] |
| Alt. Death |
| FamilySearch ID |
GMN1-GP5 |
| _UID |
059146DAD5C9430398C1B507CD4AC7A532BA |
| Died |
Aft Feb 1294-1295 |
Kildrummy Castle, Aberdeenshire, Scotland [4] |
| Person ID |
I11739 |
Carney Wehofer 2024 Genealogy |
| Last Modified |
2 Jan 2023 |
| Father |
Llewelyn Ap IORWERTH, Prince Of Wales, b. 1173, Aberffraw Castle, Aberffraw, Anglesy, Wales , d. 11 Apr 1240, Conwy, Caernarfonshire, Wales (Age 67 years) |
| Mother |
Mistress Unknown, b. Abt 1210, Wales, England , d. Yes, date unknown |
| Family ID |
F5241 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
| Family 2 |
Earl Donald Of MAR, Sir Knight, b. Abt 1243, Kildrummy Castle, Aberdeenshire, Scotland , d. Aft 25 Jul 1297, Kildrummy Castle, Aberdeenshire, Scotland (Age ~ 54 years) |
| Married |
Abt 1269 |
2ND Husband [4] |
| Children |
| | 1. Margaret (Marjory Or Mary) De MAR, b. Abt 1270, Kildrummy Castle, Aberdeenshire, Scotland , d. Bef 24 Jul 1326, Dunrobin Castle, Golspie, Sutherland, Scotland (Age ~ 56 years) |
| | 2. Gratney 7Th Earl De MAR, Sir, b. Abt 1272, Kildrummy Castle, Aberdeenshire, Scotland , d. Bef Sep 1305 (Age ~ 33 years) |
| | 3. Isabel (Matilda) De MAR, b. 11 Jul 1277, Kildrummy, Aberdeenshire, Scotland , d. 12 Dec 1296, Cardross, Dunbartonshire, Scotland (Age 19 years) |
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| Last Modified |
29 Aug 2016 |
| Family ID |
F224 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
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| Notes |
- Helen, daughter of Llewellyn ap Iorwerth, Prince of Wales. [Magna Charta Sureties, Line 41-5]
Helen or Elen, illegitimate daughter of Llewellyn ap Iorwerth, Prince of Wales, widow of Malcolm, Earl of Fife. [Magna Charta Sureties, Line 41b-5]
This Helen was illegitimate and born very late- shortly before Llewellyn's death.
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His [Donald 6th Earl of Mar's] wife, and mother of Isabel, was Helen, widow of Malcolm, 7th Earl of Fife, d. 1266, and daughter of Llewellyn, Prince of North Wales. Helen's first husband must have been an old man when she married him, for he succeeded his uncle in 1228. When he died, his son and heir was Colban, the 8th Earl, then under age, who had been knighted in his teens in 1264. Colban was married in his nonage, for when he died in 1270, when he could not have been more than 24, his heir was his son Duncan, aged 8. (Mr. Balfour Paul believes Colban's wife Alice was one of three daughters and co-heirs of Sir Alan Durward. If so, his issue shared with the Soulis family the descent from Alexander II of Scotland. However, since the line of his heir Duncan has died out, remaining descendants of this line would stem from younger children of Colban and Alice, if there were any.) The Helen, daughter of Llewellyn, who was successively the wife of Malcolm and of Donald, and mother of the children of both, appears clearly the daughter of Llewellyn ap Iorwerth but must not be confused with his daughter Helen, successively the wife of John le Scot, Earl of Chester, and of Robert de Quincy, whose mother was Princess Joan. [Ancestral Roots, Line 252-30]
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He [Malcolm MacDuff 7th Earl of Fife] m. Helen, daughter of Llewellyn, Prince of Wales. He d. 1266. His widow m. Donald, Earl of Mar, who d. about 1292. She was living 1291. [Complete Peerage V:373]
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- [S25] Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999, 41-5, 41b-5 (Reliability: 3).
- [S845] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999, 252-30 (Reliability: 3).
- [S63] Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000, V:373 (Reliability: 3).
- [S289] Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles M o s l e y Editor-in-Chief, 1999, 26 May 2003., 1853 (Reliability: 3).
- [S25] Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999, 41b-5 (Reliability: 3).
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