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 Abt 1362 - Bef 1401 (~ 38 years)
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| Name |
Margaret De MOWBRAY [2, 3] |
| Born |
Abt 1362 |
Epworth, Isle Of Axholme, Lincolnshire, England  [4] |
| Gender |
Female |
| FamilySearch ID |
G84P-DR3 |
| _UID |
0DD7642DD81747BEB359BADCC7FDD40CAF31 |
| Died |
Bef 1401 [3] |
| Person ID |
I13005 |
Carney Wehofer 2024 Genealogy |
| Last Modified |
11 Dec 2022 |
| Father |
John de MOWBRAY, b. 25 Jun 1340, Epworth, Isle Of Axholme, Lincolnshire, England , d. 17 Jun 1368, Thrace, Byzantium, Turkey (Age 27 years) |
| Mother |
Elizabeth De SEGRAVE, b. 25 Oct 1338, Croxton, Leicestershire, England , d. Bef 1368, Leicestershire, England (Age 29 years) |
| Married |
Abt 1349 [5] |
| Family ID |
F6536 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
| Family |
Reynold (Reginald) LUCY, Of Dallington, Sir, b. Bef 1360, Cublington, Buckinghamshire, England , d. 9 Nov 1437, Dallington, Northamptonshire, England (Age ~ 77 years) |
| Married |
1 Jul 1369 |
Bretby Castle, Derbyshire, England [3] |
| Alt. Marriage |
Bef Feb 1378-1379 [2] |
| Alt. Marriage |
| Children |
| | 1. Walter LUCY, Of Newington & Richards Castle, Sir, b. Bef 1379, Wapenham, Northamptonshire, England , d. 4 Oct 1444, Richard's Castle, Ludlow, Herefordshire, England (Age ~ 65 years) |
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| Last Modified |
29 Aug 2016 |
| Family ID |
F6571 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
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| Notes |
- From soc.genealogy.medieval:
Dear Newsgroup ~
The immigrants Robert Abell, Richard More of the Mayflower and Rev. John Oxenbridge are lineal descendants of Reginald Lucy, died 1437, of Dallington, co. Northampton, and his wife, Margaret. Until now, Margaret Lucy's identity and parentage have been unknown. However, recently I came across this couple's marriage license in an obscure episcopal register:
"Kal. Jul. [1 July] 1369. At Heywod. To Reginald de Lucy, son of Sir Geoffrey de Lucy, and Margaret, daughter of Sir John de Moubrey, to be married in the chapel within Bretteby [Bretby] Castle [co. Derby]" [Reference: Lichfield Episcopal Registers, Register of [Bishop] Robert de Stretton, published in William Salt Archaeological Society, n.s., 8 (1905): 47].
As indicated by the license quoted above, the bride's name was Margaret Mowbray, daughter of Sir John de Mowbray. Due to the name, chronology and place of marriage, Margaret Mowbray can be readily identified as a hitherto unknown daughter of Sir John de Mowbray, 4th Lord Mowbray, by his wife, Elizabeth, daughter and heiress of John de Segrave, 4th Lord Segrave, of Bretby Castle, co. Derby.
In this case, the place of marriage is significant as Bretby Castle was one of the holdings of the Segrave family and fell to Mowbray family on the marriage of Elizabeth Segrave to John de Mowbray, 4th Lord Mowbray. This was presumably one of the Segrave family's principal residences, as Elizabeth's father, John de Segrave, prepared his will in 1352 at Bretby [Reference: Complete Peerage, 11 (1949): 609]. I assume this license was missed by Lucy and Mowbray researchers as the Lucy family was seated principally at Northampton, whereas the Mowbray family's chief holdings were in cos. Lincoln and York. One would not expect to look in Derbyshire for a marriage license for this couple.
The newly discovered Margaret Mowbray gives the immigrants, Robert Abell, Richard More and John Oxenbridge an all new descent from King Edward I plus many other interesting connections. For newsgroup interest, I have prepared the descent down to Robert Abell. For fuller particulars of the Lucy and allied families, please see the forthcoming 3rd edition of Plantagenet Ancestry.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
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| Sources |
- [S579] Jim Weber.
- [S63] Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000, VIII:261 (Reliability: 3).
- [S44] Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com, Douglas Richardson, 4 Oct 2001 (Reliability: 3).
- [S44] Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com, C E Wood, 30 Jan 2002 (Reliability: 3).
- [S25] Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999, 63-6 (Reliability: 3).
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