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John 2Nd Baron D' ARUNDEL, Sir Knight[1]
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Name John 2Nd Baron D' ARUNDEL [2, 3, 4] Suffix Sir Knight Birth 30 Nov 1364 Lytchett Matravers, Poole, Dorsetshire, England
[4, 5] Gender Male Name John FITZALAN _UID ABC420FC86FA478A9DC3B5E8B0E363F1C081 Death 14 Aug 1390 Ditton Manor, Stoke Pogis, Buckinghamshire, England
[4, 5] Burial Missenden Abbey, Buckinghamshire, England
Person ID I13292 Carney Wehofer July 2025 Last Modified 5 Jan 2006
Marriage Y [6] Alt. Marriage 17 Feb 1358-1359 [7, 8, 9] Alt. Marriage - 1st husband
Family ID F13533 Group Sheet | Family Chart
Family Elizabeth Le DESPENSER, b. Abt 1367, Essendine, Rutlandshire, England
d. Between 10 and 11 Apr 1408, Harringworth, Northamptonshire, England
Marriage Bef 1385 1st Husband
[10] Alt. Marriage Bef 1387 [4, 11] Alt. Marriage - 1st husband
Children 1. John FITZALAN, 13th Earl Of Arundel, Kb, Sir, b. 1 Aug 1385, Ditton Manor, Stoke Pogis, Buckinghamshire, England
d. 21 Apr 1421, Arundel Caslte, West Sussex, England
(Age 35 years)2. Thomas FITZALAN, Sir Knight, b. Bef 1390, Arundel, Sussex, England
d. 1431, Beechwood, Sussex, England
(Age ~ 41 years)Family ID F6689 Group Sheet | Family Chart Last Modified 29 Aug 2016
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Notes - John; never called to Parliament (perhaps because his mother was still living; if so it would strengthen the supposition that his father was called to Parliament as a peer in right of his wife; (see below against 17th/10th Earl where the Barony of Arundel and Mautravers are amalgamated); born 30 Nov 1364; served against Scots by land 1383 and at sea (against the French?) 1388; married by 1387 Elizabeth, daughter of 1st Lord (Baron) le Despenser, and died 14 Aug 1390. [Burke's Peerage]
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Sir John d'Arundel (121-8), Lord Arundel. [Magna Charta Sureties, Line 14-9]
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BARONY of ARUNDEL (II) 1379
JOHN D'ARUNDEL, son and heir, born 30 November 1364. He was never summoned to Parliament He was with the army in Scotland in 1383, and with the English Fleet in 1388. He married, before 1385, Elizabeth, daughter of Edward (DESPENSER), LORD Le DESPENSER, by Elizabeth, daughter and heir of Bartholomew (BURGHERSH), LORD BURGHERSH. He died 14 August 1390, and was buried in Missenden Abbey. On 15 July 1406 he is referred to as John Darundell Chivaler, and his son as John Darundell Esquire. His widow married William (LA ZOUCHE), LORD ZOUCHE OF HARYNGWORTH, who died 13 May 1396. She died 10 or 11 April 1408. Will, desiring to be buried in Tewkesbury Abbey, dated 4 Apri 1408. [Complete Peerage I:260, XIV:40, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Note: CP assumes that the reason he was not called was because this Barony, even though it was not named so, was really the Mautravers/Maltravers Barony in right of his mother Eleanor; and John died before she did and therefore was not summoned to Parliament. However since the title was Arundel, and not Mautravers, he can legally be assumed to be the 2nd of that title.
- John; never called to Parliament (perhaps because his mother was still living; if so it would strengthen the supposition that his father was called to Parliament as a peer in right of his wife; (see below against 17th/10th Earl where the Barony of Arundel and Mautravers are amalgamated); born 30 Nov 1364; served against Scots by land 1383 and at sea (against the French?) 1388; married by 1387 Elizabeth, daughter of 1st Lord (Baron) le Despenser, and died 14 Aug 1390. [Burke's Peerage]
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Sources - [S579] Jim Weber.
- [S25] Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999, 121-8, 14-9 (Reliability: 3).
- [S289] Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles M o s l e y Editor-in-Chief, 1999, 2098, 3102, 26 May 2003. (Reliability: 3).
- [S63] Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000, I:260 (Reliability: 3).
- [S25] Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999, 121-8 (Reliability: 3).
- [S63] Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000, I:259, as corrected by XIV:39 (Reliability: 3).
- [S845] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999, 21-31 (Reliability: 3).
- [S25] Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999, 88-8 (Reliability: 3).
- [S63] Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000, I:259-60 (Reliability: 3).
- [S63] Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000, I:260, as corrected by XIV:40 (Reliability: 3).
- [S289] Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles M o s l e y Editor-in-Chief, 1999, 2098, 26 May 2003. (Reliability: 3).
- [S579] Jim Weber.
