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Carney & Wehofer Family
Genealogy Pages
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 1485 - 1537 (52 years)
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| Name |
Thomas John ROGERS |
| Suffix |
Jr. |
| Born |
1485 |
Deritend, Aston, Warwickshire, England  |
| Gender |
Male |
| FamilySearch ID |
LLQD-ZP1 |
| Name |
Rogers of Deritend [4] |
| Occupation |
Deritend, Birmingham (Warwickshire), England [4] |
| Lorimer (a person who made bits, spurs, and other small metal objects) |
| _UID |
2C3D69C0B029429F86159CAB128BAF75EF7D |
| Died |
10 Mar 1537 |
Aston, Warwickshire, England [4, 5] |
| Buried |
1541 |
Aston, Warwickshire, England [4] |
| Person ID |
I351315 |
Carney Wehofer 2024 Genealogy |
| Last Modified |
30 Dec 2022 |
| Father |
Thomas John ROGERS, Sr., b. 1435, Benham Valence, Furneaux , d. 1489, Bradford On Avon, Wiltshire, England (Age 54 years) |
| Mother |
Catherine COURTENAY, b. Abt 1438, Of Powderham, Devonshire, England , d. 12 Jan 1514, Shillingford, Devonshire, England (Age ~ 76 years) |
| Married |
Feb 1471 |
Bradford, Wiltshire, England |
| Family ID |
F9892 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
| Family 1 |
Margaret (Margery) WYATT, b. 1490, Allington Castle, Boxley, Kent, England , d. 1540, Dorset, Dorsetshire, England (Age 50 years) |
| Married |
1505 |
Deritend, Aston, Warwickshire, England |
| Children |
| | 1. Rev. John ROGERS, b. 4 Feb 1507, Deritend, Aston, Warwickshire, England , d. 4 Feb 1554, Smithfield, England (Age 47 years) |
| | 2. William ROGERS, Sr., b. Abt 1510, Watford, Northamptonshire, England , d. Aft 10 Apr 1553, Watford, Northamptonshire, England (Age ~ 43 years) |
| | 3. Edward ROGERS, b. Abt 1511, Deritend, Aston, Warwickshire, England , d. Yes, date unknown |
| | 4. Eleanor ROGERS, b. Abt 1514, Deritend, Aston, Warwickshire, England , d. Yes, date unknown |
| | 5. Joan ROGERS, b. Abt 1515, Deritend, Aston, Warwickshire, England , d. Yes, date unknown |
| | 6. William ROGERS, b. 1516, Deritend, Aston, Warwickshire, England , d. Between 1516 and 1614 (Age 0 years) |
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| Last Modified |
30 Dec 2022 |
| Family ID |
F91762 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
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| Notes |
- Per pedigree of: "John Rogers of Derytend in the parish of Aston Com. Warwick":
John Rogers, Lorimer (a person who made bits, spurs, and other small metal objects) of Deritend - Birth: about 1487 Died: December 1540
Immediate Family: Son of John Rogers, of Sutton Valence, Kent, England
Brother: Nicholas Rogers
Wife: Margaret Wyatt, daughter of prominent tanner in Deritend
here are two Margaret Wyatts that are being confused. This one was the daughter of a Deritend tanner named John Wyatt. She married John Rogers a lorimer in Deritend. The other Margaret Wyatt was born the daughter of Henry Wyatt lived in a castle and married Sir Anthony Lee. They were not the same person.
Children: John Rogers, 1555 martyr (married Adriana de Weyden), William Rogers (died prior to 1540), Eleanor Rogers (married Robert Malward), Joan Rogers (married Baldwin Broke), Edward Rogers
Settled in Deritend, Aston, Birmingham, Warwick
Also called "John Rogers of Birmingham"
Left a Will made in December 1540, proved at Litchfield 25 December 1541
It appears that Thomas Rogers of Bradford and his second wife, Katherine de Courtnay, had a son known as "John Rogers of Sutton Valence in Kent". The Will of Katherine de Courtenay makes it clear that John and William Rogers were not her sons, but children of of her second husband, Thomas Rogers of Bradford. From the Visitations he (John Rogers of Sutton Valence in Kent) is noted as having had a son referred to as "John Rogers of Sutton Valence", who married a "Miss Coppinger" and he had a son named "Ralph Rogers." His son "John Rogers of Sutton Valence" left a Will and died in 1528.
According to the professionals that I talked to, the coat of arms of John Rogers of Deritend's family and the coat of arms used by Thomas Rogers of Bradford seem to indicate that they are of the same family.....it is just being a little difficult to figure how it fits together. The only sons of Thomas Rogers of Bradford that I can find reference to are the two he had with his first wife, Cecily Bessil, William and John Rogers of Sutton Valence in Kent, and George the only child that Thomas had with his second wife, Katherine de Courtenay.
According to the 4 pedigree of Thomas Rogers of Bradford, it appears that he and his second wife, Katherine de Courtenay, had a son known in pedigrees #4 and #2 as "John Rogers of Sutton Valence in Kent". The Will of Katherine de Courtenay makes it clear that John and William Rogers were not her sons, but children of of her second husband, Thomas Rogers of Bradford. This "John Rogers of Sutton, the second", was the son of that "John Rogers of Sutton Valence in Kent". He married a Miss Coppinger and had a son named Ralph. He left a Will in August of 1528 which was proved in January of 1528/9.
This could not have been the John Rogers of Deritend, as he left a Will in Deritend in the year 1540
The person on the top of the family pedigree for John Rogers, 1555 martyr is a man recorded as: ....Rogers of "Sutton Vallens in Kent." I am hoping to find more clarification as to exactly who was the father to John Rogers of Deritend the father of John Rogers 1555 martyr.
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- [S538] !Fix This Source-130.
- [S1087] Gedcom File provided by, John Woodward "Jack" Buschman, February 10, 2002 (Reliability: 2).
- [S1089] [Plantagenet Descent], David A. Blocher , (Personal Usage).
- [S1160] FamilySearch Family Tree (http://www.familysearch.org), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, ((http://www.familysearch.org)), accessed 30 Dec 2022), entry for Thomas John ROGERS, person ID LLQD-ZP1. (Reliability: 3).
- [S1093] Michael R Neuman.ged.
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