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Carney & Wehofer Family
Genealogy Pages
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 1425 - 1486 (61 years)
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| Name |
Elene (Helen) DOUGLAS [1] |
| Born |
17 May 1425 |
Aberdeenshire, Scotland  [1, 2] |
| Gender |
Female |
| FamilySearch ID |
LBMR-4F7 |
| Title (Nobility) |
[2] |
| Countess of Montrose |
| TitleOfNobility |
[2] |
| Baroness |
| Name |
Helen [2] |
| Name |
Helen Eleanor DOUGLAS [3] |
| _UID |
AB4CEDD5696444B6AFC8DB359959DE6239D9 |
| Died |
20 Nov 1486 |
Perthshire, Scotland [1, 2] |
| Person ID |
I364 |
Carney Wehofer 2024 Genealogy |
| Last Modified |
2 Jan 2023 |
| Father |
William DOUGLAS, 2nd Earl of Angus, b. 24 Sep 1398, Tantallon Castle, North Berwick, East Lothian, Scotland , d. 9 Oct 1437, Mar, Aberdeenshire Scotland (Age 39 years) |
| Mother |
Margaret HAY, of Yester, b. 20 May 1400, Yester Castle, Yester, Haddingtonshire, Scotland , d. 22 Apr 1484, Aberdeenshire, Scotland (Age 83 years) |
| Family ID |
F536729011 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
| Family 1 |
William GRAHAM, b. 1433, Perth Castle, Perthshire, Scotland , d. 1472, Scone, Perthshire, Scotland (Age 39 years) |
| Married |
1460 |
Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland [4, 5] |
| Children |
| | 1. Isabella GRAHAM, b. 1443, Stirlingshire, Scotland , d. 26 Oct 1510, Stirlingshire, Scotland (Age 67 years) |
| | 2. George GRAHAM, 1st of Calendar, b. 1452, of Kincardine, Scotland , d. 9 Sep 1513, Branxton, Northumberland, England (Age 61 years) |
| | 3. Marion Jean GRAHAM, b. Abt 1460, Kincardine, Blackford, Perthshire, Scotland , d. Abt 1530, Kincardine, Inverness Shire, Scotland (Age ~ 70 years) |
| | 4. Elizabeth GRAHAM, b. Abt 1461, Aberdeenshire, Scotland , d. 1506 (Age ~ 45 years) |
| | 5. William GRAHAM, 1st Earl of Montrose, b. 1464, Kincardine, Blackford, Perthshire, Scotland , d. 9 Sep 1513, Killed in the Battle of Flodden Field, Branxton, Northumberland, England (Age 49 years) |
| | 6. Agnes GRAHAM, b. Abt 1472, Scotland , d. 20 Mar 1557, Corstorphine, Midlothian, Scotland (Age ~ 85 years) |
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| Last Modified |
2 Jan 2023 |
| Family ID |
F239 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
| Family 2 |
Sir James OGILVY, b. 16 Oct 1430, Forfar, Forfarshire, Scotland , d. 25 Sep 1504, Airlie, Forfarshire, Scotland (Age 73 years) |
| Married |
May 1478 |
Scotland [2, 3] |
| Children |
| | 1. Isabel OGILVY, d. Yes, date unknown |
| | 2. Malcolm OGILVY, b. Airlie, Angusshire, Scotland , d. Aft 1501 |
| | 3. Oliver OGILVY, b. Abt 1477, of, Airlie, Angusshire, Scotland , d. Yes, date unknown |
| | 4. Alexander OGILVY, b. 1481, Deskford, Banffshire, Scotland, United Kingdom , d. 1 Feb 1506, Banffshire, Scotland (Age 25 years) |
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| Last Modified |
2 Jan 2023 |
| Family ID |
F536729012 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
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| Notes |
- NOTE
In many of the Histories she is also referred as Eleanor or Elene and also Ann. With all the histories she remains with the same Husbands and Children.
Helen, daughter of 2nd Earl, identified as William's wife by both Burkes Peerage 1932 (Hamilton) and Burkes Peerage 1932 (Montrose) but The Scots Peerage shows Anne, dau of 4th Earl, as William's wife as does MacGregor's Landed Families of Perthshire.
The Life Summary of Helen
When Helen Douglas was born on 17 May 1425, in Aberdeenshire, Scotland, her father, Sir William the Red Second Baron Of Drumlanrig, Second Earl Of Angus, was 25 and her mother, Margaret Hay, was 21. She married Sir William Graham 2nd Lord of Montrose and 2d Lord of Graham and Baronet of Bruce in 1460, in Scotland. They were the parents of at least 3 sons and 8 daughters. She died on 20 November 1486, in Perthshire, Scotland, at the age of 61.
About Helen Douglas of Angus
1. Lady Helen Douglas (d. after 20 Nov 1486), mar. (1) bef. 1460 William [Graham], 2nd Lord Graham, and (2) bef. 1478 as his second wife James [Ogilvy], 1st Lord Ogilvy of Airlie, and had issue by her first husband.
Notes
Helen, dau of 2nd Earl, identified as William Graham's wife by both Burkes Peerage 1932 (Hamilton) and Burkes Peerage 1932 (Montrose) but The Scots Peerage shows Anne, dau of 4th Earl, as William's wife as does MacGregor's Landed Families of Perthshire.
"William, the second Lord Graham, married Lady Ann Douglas, daughter of George, fourth Earl of Angus, "the Red Douglas" of James II.?us time, who in Scottish tradition is remembered as having "put down the Black. "Another account of the clan... Patricks only son[?], William, second Lord Graham, married lady Anne Douglas, eldest daughter of the fourth Earl of Angus, and had two sons, William, third Lord Graham, and George, ancestor of the Grahams of Calendar. [http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/dtog/graham2.html]"
[This is disputed by Stirnet Graham02 using as its sources both The Scots Peerage and Burkes Peerage 1934 who say he married Helen Douglas daughter of the 2nd Earl of Angus]
AKA
Lady Helen Anne GRAHAM (1425 - 1486)
Children of Elene Douglas and William Graham, 2nd Lord Graham
William Graham, 1st Earl of Montrose+4 d. 9 Sep 1513
Jean Graham+2
Christian Graham+4
George Graham+4 d. 9 Sep 1513
unknown Graham4
Children of Elene Douglas and Sir James Ogilvy of Airlie, 1st Lord Ogilvy of Airlie
Isabel Ogilvy5
Oliver Ogilvy6
Malcolm Ogilvy7 d. a 1501
John Ogilvy of Craig5 d. a Apr 1505
Archibald Ogilvy7 b. b 1494, d. b 1504
Alexander Ogilvy7 b. b 1494
Links
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/a/n/Robert-Marion-Sanders-CA/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-1680.html
http://www.cracroftspeerage.co.uk/online/content/angus1389.htm#ANGUS_1389_10
http://www.thepeerage.com/p10962.htm#i109612
http://www.clanmacfarlanegenealogy.info/genealogy/TNGWebsite/getperson.php?personID=I4973&tree=CC
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Helen Douglas of Angus's Timeline
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| Sources |
- [S1160] FamilySearch Family Tree (http://www.familysearch.org), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, ((http://www.familysearch.org)), accessed 2 Jan 2023), entry for William Graham, person ID LBL2-5NP. (Reliability: 3).
- [S1160] FamilySearch Family Tree (http://www.familysearch.org), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, ((http://www.familysearch.org)), accessed 10 Dec 2022), entry for Anne Of Angus DOUGLAS, person ID LBMR-4F7. (Reliability: 3).
- [S1160] FamilySearch Family Tree (http://www.familysearch.org), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, ((http://www.familysearch.org)), accessed 2 Jan 2023), entry for Helen Eleanor Douglas, person ID LBMR-4F7. (Reliability: 3).
- [S1160] FamilySearch Family Tree (http://www.familysearch.org), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, ((http://www.familysearch.org)), accessed 10 Dec 2022), entry for William GRAEME, person ID GJ47-TJB. (Reliability: 3).
- [S1160] FamilySearch Family Tree (http://www.familysearch.org), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, ((http://www.familysearch.org)), accessed 2 Jan 2023), entry for William GRAHAM, person ID GJ47-TJB. (Reliability: 3).
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