John DE SAYE

1415 - 1478  (63 years)

• Name	John DE SAYE  [1, 2]
  Birth	1415	Broxbourne, Hertfordshire, England   [1, 2]
  Gender	Male
  FamilySearch ID	GN75-ZMJ
  Knight of the Bath	1465	England   [3]
  Title (Nobility)	[3]
  	Lord of Essex
  Occupation	[3]
  	Chief Baron of The Exchequer
  Occupation	[3]
  	Lawyer, Chief Baron of the Exchequer
  Occupation	[3]
  	Speaker of the House of Commons
  Residence	London and Munden Furnival, Hertfordshire, England   [3]
  Death	Apr 1478	Broxbourne, Hertfordshire, England   [1, 2]
  Burial	12 Apr 1478	Broxbourne, Hertfordshire, England   [1, 2]
  Person ID	I594785192	Carney Wehofer 2024 Genealogy
  Last Modified	21 Dec 2024

  
  

  Father	William FREY,   b. Abt 1370, Staffordshire, England d. 1419, England (Age ~ 49 years)
  Mother	Harriet MONTGOMERY,   b. England d. 1419, England
  Family ID	F536734163	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

  Family 1	Elizabeth CHENEY,   b. Apr 1422, Fen Ditton, Cambridgeshire, England d. 25 Sep 1473, Broxbourne, Hertfordshire, England (Age ~ 51 years)
  Children	1. Sir William DE SAYE,   b. Abt 1452, Broxbourne, Hertfordshire, England d. 4 Dec 1529, Broxbourne, Hertfordshire, England (Age ~ 77 years)   2. Elizabeth DE SAY,   b. 1452, Broxbourne Manor, Broxbourne, Broxbourne Wood, Ware, Hertford, Hertfordshire d. 30 Jun 1497, Ipswich, Suffolk, England (Age 45 years)   3. Lady Anne SAY,   b. Abt 1453, Broxbourne, Hertfordshire, England d. Abt 1494, Nettlestead, Suffolk, England (Age ~ 41 years)   4. Thomas DE SAYE, Say,   b. 1455, England d. 1497, England (Age 42 years)   5. Mary DE SAYE,   b. 1464, Burnham Thorpe, Norfolk, England d. 1501, Ingham, Norfolk, England, United Kingdom (Age 37 years)
  Family ID	F536734162	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
  Last Modified	21 Dec 2024

  
  

  Family 2	Agnes DANVERS,   b. Jul 1410, Oxfordshire, England d. 11 Jun 1478, Broxbourne, Hertfordshire, England (Age ~ 67 years)
  Marriage	Between 1473 and 1474	England   [3]
  Children	1. Katherine FRAY,   b. 15 Jul 1437, Worcestershire, England d. 12 May 1482, Grafton, Worcestershire, England (Age 44 years)   2. Agnes FRAY,   b. 1439, London, England d. Yes, date unknown   3. Elizabeth FRAY,   b. Abt 1441, Smallburgh, Norfolk, England d. Aft 1479, Worcestershire, England (Age ~ 39 years)   4. Margaret FRAY,   b. 1442, Cottered, Hertfordshire, England d. 1478, Smallbridge, Suffolk, England (Age 36 years)   5. Alice FRAY,   b. 1443, Adderbury, Oxfordshire, England d. May 1506, Toddington, Gloucestershire, England (Age 63 years)
  Family ID	F536734154	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
  Last Modified	21 Dec 2024

  
  

• Notes

  Sir John Say (born 1415 in Podington, Bedfordshire, England, died 12 April 1478) was an English courtier, MP and Speaker of the House of Commons. He was the son of John Say (born before 1445) and his wife Maud. His brother, [Master] William Say, was Dean of the Chapel Royal, Master of the Hospital of St Anthony, London and Dean of St Paul's. Sir John owned land at Baas, Broxbourne, Little Berkhamsted and Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire, and Lawford, Essex Sir John Say trained as a lawyer and became a King's Serjeant, Coroner of the Marshalsea, Yeoman of the Chamber and Crown, Keeper of Westminster Palace, Squire of the Body and Privy Councillor. In 1447 he entered Parliament as MP for Cambridge and was then in 1449 elected Knight of the Shire for Cambridgeshire, when he was also elected Speaker of the House of Commons. In June 1449 he was made Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster and in 1449 was appointed sheriff of Norfolk and Suffolk. By 1450, he was out of favor and in 1451 the Commons demanded his banishment from the court. However, he was pardoned in 1452. From 1453 to 1478 he represented Hertfordshire in several Parliaments and was chosen to serve as speaker from 1463 to 1465 and again 1467 to 1468. In 1455 (until 1478 in three terms under Henry Bourchier, 1st Viscount Bourchier, 1st Earl of Essex) he held the post of under-Treasurer of the Exchequer and from 1476 that of Keeper of the Great Wardrobe. He was made Knight of the Bath in 1465. He died on 12 April 1478. Marriage He married (1st) about 11 Nov. 1446 (grant of the king) Elizabeth, widow of Sir Frederick Tilney of Ashwellthorpe, Norfolk, and daughter of Sir Laurence or Lawrence Cheney (or Cheyne), Esq. (c. 1396 - 1461), of Fen Ditton, Fen Drayton, and Long Stanton, Cambridgeshire, Eaton (in Eaton Socon) and Pavenham, Bedfordshire, Irchester, Northamptonshire, etc., Sheriff of Cambridgeshire and Huntingdonshire, 1429– 30, 1435– 6, Knight of the Shire for Cambridgeshire, 1431, 1432, 1435, 1442, by Elizabeth, daughter of John Cokayne, of Berwardecote, Brunaldeston, and Hatton, Derbyshire, Chief Baron of the Exchequer, 1401, Justice of the Common Pleas, 1405– 29, Chief Steward of the Duchy of Lancaster (Northern parts). His wife, Elizabeth, died 2 September 1473. The couple had issue, including: 1. Anne Say, who married Sir Henry Wentworth of Nettlestead, de jure 4th Baron Despenser. 2. Mary Say 3. Elizabeth Saye Say married (2nd) before 9 Oct. 1474 Agnes Danvers, widow successively of John Fray, Knt., Chief Baron of Exchequer, and John Wenlock, K.G., Lord Wenlock, Speaker of the House of Commons, Chief Butler of England, Chamberlain of the Duchy of Lancaster, joint Treasurer of Ireland, Lieutenant of Calais, and daughter of John Danvers, Knt., Ipswell and Colthorpe, Oxfordshire. Death Sir John and Lady Elizabeth Say are buried together at Broxbourne, Hertfordshire. Say had contracted the mason Robert Stowell to extend the south aisle of St Augustine's Church and prepare a tomb in June 1476. They were survived by seven of their eight children (three sons and four daughters). Sir John Say was an ancestor of Jane Seymour, third wife of King Henry VIII. He was succeeded by his son William, who also became an MP and Sheriff for Hertfordshire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Say

  
  

• Sources

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