"Joan" Tangwystl Verch LLYWARCH

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Joan, Lady of Wales and Lady of Snowdon, also known by her Welsh name often written as Siwan (c. 1191/92 ? February 1237) was the illegitimate daughter of King John of England, and was the wife of Llywelyn the Great, Prince of Wales (initially King of Gwynedd), effective ruler of all of Wales. Joan or Siwan in Welsh has been referred to as both "Lady of Wales" and "Princess of Wales".

Early life
Joan should not be confused with her half-sister, Joan, Queen consort of Scotland.
Little is known about her early life. Her mother's name is known only from Joan's obituary in the Tewkesbury Annals, where she is called "Regina Clementina" (Queen Clemence); there is no evidence that her mother was in fact of royal blood. Joan may have been born in France, and probably spent part of her childhood there, as King John had her brought to the Kingdom of England from Normandy in December 1203, in preparation for a marriage alliance to Prince Llywelyn ap Iorwerth.

Thomas Pennant, in "Tours in Wales", Volume 2, published London, 1810, writes : "It is said that Llewelyn the Great had near this place [Trefriw] a palace; ... The church of Trefriw was originally built by Llewelyn, for the ease of his princess, who before was obliged to go on foot to Llanrhychwyn, a long walk among the mountains."

Marriage
Joan was betrothed to Llywelyn the Great in 1204, and the marriage is thought to have taken place in 1205, although some of the annals of the abbey of St Werburgh in Chester say that it occurred in 1204. S

he and Llywelyn had at least four children together:
1. Gwladus Ddu (1206? 1251), who married (1) Reginald de Braose and (2) Ralph de Mortimer, with whom she had issue.
2. Elen ferch Llywelyn (Helen or Ellen) (1207? 1253), married (1) John the Scot, Earl of Chester and (2) Robert II de Quincy
3. Susanna, who was sent to England as a hostage in 1228.
4. Dafydd ap Llywelyn (c. 1212? 1246) married Isabella de Braose, died at Abergwyngregyn.

Some of Llywelyn's other recorded children may also have been Joan's:

- Angharad ferch Llywelyn
- Marared/Margaret (born c.1202) who married (1) Sir John de Braose (called Tadody), grandson of William de Braose, 4th Lord of Bramber. She married (2) Sir Walter de Clifford and had children by both husbands.

Joan often mediated between her husband and her father. According to Brut y Tywysogion (The chronicle of the princes), when John was successfully campaigning in North Wales, "Llywelyn, being unable to suffer the king's rage, sent his wife, the king's daughter, to him, by the counsel of his leading men, to seek to make peace with the king on whatever terms he could."

In April 1226 Joan obtained a papal decree from Pope Honorius III, declaring her legitimate on the basis that her parents had not been married to others at the time of her birth, but without giving her a claim to the English throne.

Adultery
At Easter 1230, William de Braose, who was Llywelyn's prisoner at the time, was discovered with Joan in Llywelyn's bedchamber. William de Braose was hanged on 2 May 1230, according to local folklore at Abergwyngregyn; the place was known as Gwern y Grog. A letter from Nicholas, Abbot of Vaudy, suggests that the execution took place at Crogen near Bala (crogi means to hang).

Joan was placed under house arrest for twelve months after the incident. She was then, according to the Chronicle of Chester, forgiven by Llywelyn and restored to favour. She may have given birth to a daughter early in 1231.

Joan or Siwan in Welsh has been referred to as both "Lady of Wales" and "Princess of Wales".

Death and burial
Joan died at the royal home at Abergwyngregyn, on the north coast of Gwynedd, in 1237. Llywelyn's great grief at her death is recorded; he founded a Franciscan friary in her honour on the seashore at Llanfaes, opposite the royal residence. This was consecrated in 1240, shortly before Llywelyn died. It was destroyed in 1537 by Henry VIII of England during the Dissolution of the Monasteries. A stone coffin originally identified as Joan's can be seen in St Mary's and St Nicholas's parish church, Beaumaris, Anglesey. Above the empty coffin is a slate panel inscribed:

"This plain sarcophagus, (once dignified as having contained the remains of Joan, daughter of King John, and consort of Llewelyn ap Iorwerth, Prince of North Wales, who died in the year 1237), having been conveyed from the Friary of Llanfaes, and alas, used for many years as a horsewatering trough, was rescued from such an indignity and placed here for preservation as well as to excite serious meditation on the transitory nature of all sublunary distinctions. By Thomas James Warren Bulkeley, Viscount Bulkeley, Oct 1808"

In recent years doubt has been cast on the identity of the woman shown on the coffin lid, which is not thought to belong to the coffin on which it rests. Experts have suggested the costume and style of carving belong to a much later decade than the 1230s when Joan died, although the coronet would indicate a member of the royal family. Eleanor de Montfort is thought the likeliest alternative.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan,_Lady_of_Wales

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Joan (Joanna) was an illegitimate daughter of King John of England and a woman named Clemence. She should not be confused with her legitimate half-sister Joan, Queen Consort of Scotland.
Little is known about her early life; she was possibly born before her father, King John of England, married his first wife in 1189. Her mother's name is known only from Joan's obituary in the Tewkesbury Annals, where she is mysteriously called "Regina Clementina" (Queen Clemence). Joan seems to have spent her childhood in France, as King John had her brought to the Kingdom of England from Normandy in preparation for her wedding in December 1203 at 15 years of age or so.
Joan married Llywelyn the Great between December 1203 and October 1204.
In April 1226 Joan obtained a papal decree from Pope Honorius III, declaring her legitimate on the basis that her parents had not been married to others at the time of her birth, but without giving her a claim to the English throne.
At Easter 1230, William de Braose, 10th Baron Abergavenny, who was Llywelyn's nominal prisoner at the time, was discovered together with Joan in Llywelyn's bedchamber. William de Braose was hanged, probably at Crogen, on 2 May 1230. Joan was placed under house arrest for twelve months. She was forgiven by Llywelyn, and restored as wife and princess. Joan was never called Princess of Wales, but, in Welsh, "Lady of Wales". She died at the royal home, Garth Celyn, Aber Garth Celyn, on the north coast of Gwynedd in 1237. Llywelyn's great grief at her death is recorded; he founded a Franciscan friary on the seashore at Llanfaes, opposite the royal home, in her honour. The friary was consecrated in 1240, shortly before Llywelyn died. It was closed down in 1537 by Henry VIII of England during the Dissolution of the Monasteries.

"Joan" married Llewelyn Ap IORWERTH, Prince Of Wales on 16 Apr 1205 in Cheshire, England. Llewelyn (son of Iorwerth "Drwyndwn" Ap OWAIN, Prince North Wales and Marared Verch MADOG) was born in 1173 in Aberffraw Castle, Aberffraw, Anglesy, Wales; died on 11 Apr 1240 in Conwy, Caernarfonshire, Wales; was buried in Apr 1240 in Aberconwy Abbey, Conwy, Caernarfonshire, Wales. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Margaret, died 1263, daughter of Llewellyn ap Iorwerth, Prince of Wales. [Magna Charta Sureties]

The surname of LLEWELYN was a baptismal name 'the son of Llewellyn' an ancient Welsh personal name. Following the crusades in Europe in the 11th, 12th and 13th centuries, a need was felt for a family name to replace the one given at birth, or in addition to it. This was recognized by those of noble birth, and particularly by those who went on the Crusades, as it added prestige and practical advantage to their status. At first the coat of arms was a practical matter which served a function of the battlefield and in tournaments. With his helmet covering his face, and armour encasing the knight from head to foot, the only means of identification for his followers, was the insignia painted on his shield, and embroidered on his surcoat, the draped and flowing garment worn over the armour. Early records mention Richard Thwellin of Lancashire, 1618. Richard Luellyn and Elizabeth Bromwich married at St. Peter, Cornhill, London in 1715. William Gaunt married Mary Lewelling, St. George's, Hanover Square, London in 1776. The rise of surnames, according to the accepted theory, was due to the Norman Conquest of 1066. It is often assumed that men 'adopted' their surnames. Some certainly did, but the individual himself had no need for a label to distinguish him from his fellows. The development of the feudal system made it essential that the king should know exactly what service each knight owed. Payments to and by the exchequer required that debtors and creditors should be particularized. Monasteries drew up surveys and extents with details of tenants of all classes in their services. Any description which identified the man was satisfactory, his father's name, the name of his land, or a nickname known to be his. The upper classes mostly illiterate, were those with whom the officials were chiefly concerned and among them surnames first became numerous and hereditary. The associated arms are recorded in Sir Bernard Burkes General Armory. Ulster King of Arms in 1884. A notable member of the name was Richard Llewellyn pseudonym of Richard Doyle Vivian Llewellyn Lloyd (1907-83) the Welsh author born in St. David's, Pembrokeshire. He established himself, after service with the regular army and a short spell as a film director, as a best selling novelist with 'How Greeen was my Valley' (1939), a novel about a Welsh mining village. Later works include 'None but the Lonely Heart' (1943) and 'Green, Green, My Valley Now' (1975). This is an ancient name of Welsh origin and derives from an Olde Welsh personal name, "Llywelyn", meaning "likeness to a leader", from the Celtic "llyw" meaning "leader" and "eilun", likeness, although there is some dispute as to the derivation of the first element, since it may also derive from "Llew" meaning "lion" or from the Celtic god "Lugh", later Luel, whose name forms the last syllable of "Carlisle", (Caer Luel). In England the name was used in the forms "Leonline" and "Lewlin", while Shakespeare's "Fluellen" in "Henry V" is an English attempt to pronounce the Welsh correctly. The modern surname can be found as "Llewellin", "Llewellyn", "Lllewelyn" and "Llewhellin". David, son of Morris Llewellyn", was christened on the 27th June 1621 at St. Botolph's, Bishopsgate, London. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of Tudor ap Lleyelyn, which was dated 1391, in the "Extent of Chirkland", 1391 - 1393, Wales, during the reign of King Richard, known as "Richard of Bordeaux", 1377 - 1399. Surnames became necessary when governments introduced personal taxation. In England this was known as Poll Tax. Throughout the centuries, surnames in every country have continued to "develop" often leading to astonishing variants of the original spelling.

Margaret married John De BRAOSE, Lord Of Bramber & Gower in 1219 in Wales, England. John (son of William de BRAOSE and Maud De CLERE) was born about 1197 in Gower, Glamorganshire, Wales; died on 18 Jul 1232 in Bramber, Sussex, England; was buried in Jul 1232 in Priory Church, Aconbury, Herefordshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Margaret married Walter III De CLIFFORD, & Cortham after 1233 in 2ND Husband. Walter was born about 1187 in Clifford Castle, Hay, Herefordshire, England; died in 1263 in Cortham/Corfham Castle, Shropshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Gruffudd ap Llywelyn, Prince of Gwynedd. [Burke's Peerage]

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The following post to SGM, 17 Feb 2003, by Becky Thill is mostly about Gruffudd's brother Dafydd, who was a disastrous Prince of Cymru for 6 years, but it had the following excerpt on Gruffudd:

But Davydd was not the only son of Llywelyn. There had been another, Gruffydd, a handsome giant of a prince, born of a Cymric Mother. Llywelyn had weighed his two sons in his mind as to which would be the better ruler for the land. Davydd's mother was sister of the King of England - surely the King of England would be less the enemy of his nephew than of Gruffydd. So thought Llywelyn, and accordingly he made Davydd his heir; the one tragic mistake which undid all that he had accomplished in his own strenuous life. Gruffydd, with his turbulent valour, could not have brought his country lower than his brother's smoothness brought it. He might have saved it.
Davydd had handed over his brother Gruffydd to the King of England as a prisoner. The king sent him to the Tower of London. One night Gruffydd made a rope of his clothes and began to let himself down out of his window to escape. The rope broke, and Gruffydd was killed, his neck being broken by the fall. But he left four sons, Owen, Llywelyn, Davydd and Rhodri.
Owen and Llywelyn seized the crown of Gwynedd between them when their uncle Davydd died. Now King Henry claimed all the land as his own, for, amongst the rest of Davydd's doings, he had agreed that, if he died childless, Henry should be his heir and take the country. It would be hard to find words severe enough to describe such a transaction as that. [Flame-Bearers of Welsh History, "The Sons of Cunedda" by Owen Rhoscomyl, School Edition, 1905 The Welsh Ed. Pub. Co. Merthry Rydfil, part one, p. 177 XLIX, THE RISE OF LLYWELYN III]

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William was only 12 when his father died. The wardship of William and the de Braose lands were granted by Henry III to Peter des Rievaux. On his fall in 1234 these custodies were passed on to the king's brother Richard, Earl of Cornwall. When William came of age he took control of the Braose lands in Gower, Bramber and Tetbury. He confirmed the grants made by his father of the rents of cottages in Tetbury (they are still there) to the priory at Aconbury, founded in the memory of Maud de St Valery by her daughter Margaret.

He was plagued throughout his life by a series of legal battles over land rights with his female relatives.

See Cottages of Tetbury.


William de Braose, in the 41st Henry III [1257], when Llewellyn ap Griffith menaced the marches of Wales with a great army, was commanded by the king to defend his own marches about Gower, and the next year he had a military summons to attend the king Chester. In two years afterwards, he was again in arms under Roger de Mortimer against the Welsh, and was one of the barons who became pledged for King Henry, abiding the award of Louis, King of France. He d. in 1290, leaving by Isabel de Clare, his first wife, a son, William de Braose. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 72, Braose, Baron Braose, of Gower]

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Peter de Braose, half-brother of William, Lord Braose, of Gower. Peter's son, Thomas, was found heir to his grandmother, Mary de Ros (his grandfather, William de Braose's 2nd wife). [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage Ltd, London, England, 1883, p. 73, Braose, Barons Braose]

NOTE: From the above information it is certain which William de Braose was Peter's father, for only this one William was summoned to parliament as a baron. However, in attempting to connect Mary de Ros to William, there are some pretty glaring date inconsistencies. e.g., William died in 1290, and Mary wasn't born until around 1298. It's possible the approximated year of birth for Mary is somewhat off, but surely not that far off. According to Burke, her father, William de Ros, was b. 1255, thus, she could have been born as early as perhaps 1271. Her father d. in 1316, and her grandfather died 16 June, 1285. Her 2nd husband, Thomas of Brotherton, was born 1 June, 1300. Had she been born as early as 1271, she would have been 29 years older than her 2nd husband. It's almost as if there had been two separate individuals named Mary de Ros, yet Burke says "Mary m. 1st, to William Braose, and 2ndly, to Thomas de Brotherton, Duke of Norfolk."

William married Aline De MULTON in 1255 in Bramber, Sussex, England. Aline (daughter of Thomas DE MULTON and Maude DE VAUX) was born about 1240 in Gilsland, Irthington, Cumberland, England; died in 1268 in Bramber, Sussex, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

William married Agnes De MOELS after 1260 in 2ND Wife. Agnes was born about 1230 in Cadbury, Tiverton, Somerset, England; died before 1271. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

William married Mary De ROS about 1271 in 3rd Wife. Mary was born about 1253 in Helmsley Castle, North Riding Yorkshire, England; died before 23 May 1326. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Sir Richard de Braose, said to be a younger son (not fully documented), Lord of Stinton, Norfolk; Brumlagh, Surrey; Ludborough, co Lincoln; Akenham, Hasketon, Stradbrooke, and Rouse Hall, Suffolk, all in right of his wife; also granted part of the manor of Thorganby, co York by his brother William; born before 1232, died before 18 June 1292, buried Woodbridge Priory; married before 9 Sep 1265 Alice le Rus, widow of Richard Longespee, died shortly before 28 Jan 1300/1, daughter and heir of William le Rus of Stinton, Norfolk by Agatha (dsp shortly before 27 Dec 1261), daughter and heir of Roger de Clere of Brumlegh, Surrey and Ludborough, Lincoln. [Magna Charta Sureties]

Note: I am not sure how to read the above. MCS cannot mean that Agatha "dsp" because in the same statement she is said to have a daughter (Alice) by her husband William le Rus.

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SIR RICHARD DE BREUSE, a younger son of John de Breuse, Lord of Bramber and Gower, by Margaret, daughter of Llewelyn ap lorwerth, PRINCE OF NORTH WALES, born 1232. He was summoned cum equis et armis 12 December 1276 to 14 June 1287, and to attend the King at Shrewsbury, 28 June 1283, by writs directed Ricardo de Brehuse or Breuse.

He married, before 9 September 1265 Alice, widow of Richard LUNGESPEYE (who died s.p. shortly before 27 Dec. 1261, and daughter and heir of William LE Rus, of Stinton, Norfolk, Akenham and Whittingham, Suffolk, by Agatha. daughter and heir of Roger DE CLERE, of Bramley, Surrey, and Ludborough, co. Lincoln. She was born 25 December 1245 or 1247, or 1 January 1245/6. He died before 18 June 1292 (i). His widow died shortly before 28 January 1300/1. They were buried in Woodbridge Priory. [Complete Peerage II:304, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

(i) At which time his widow was claiming her dower. On the morrow of St. John the Baptist 25 Edward I, Richard de Brewose obtained from (his mother) Alice, que fuit uxor Ricardi de Brewesa, the manor of Stradbroke, Suffolk. The younger Richard m. Alianore. He was summoned cum equis et armis 12 Mar 1300/1. Blomefield erroneously assigns to the elder Richard the Inq.p.m. on his nephew Richard, for which see p. 308, note "d".

Richard married Alice Le RUS, Heiress Of Stinton on 9 Sep 1265 in Stinton Hall, Norfolk, England. Alice (daughter of William LE RUS and Agatha DE CLERE) was born on 25 Dec 1245 in Stinton, Norfolk, England; died before 28 Jan 1300-1301 in Stinton, Norfolk, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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He [John Giffard] married, 1stly, Maud,[f] widow of Sir William LUNGESPEE, of Amesbury, Aldbourne, and Trowbridge, Wilts, Canford, Dorset, Bicester, Oxon; Brattleby, co., Lincoln, &c. (who died between 23 December 1256 and 3 January 1256/7], and daughter and heir of Sir Walter DE CLIFFORD, of Clifford co. Hereford, Cortham, Salop, &c., by Margaret, daughter of Llewelyn ab IORWERTH, PRINCE OF NORTH WALES. She, who was living 1 December 1281, died s.p.m., not long afterwards. [Complete Peerage V:639-44, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

[f] Maud Lungespee notified the King that John Giffard had abducted her from her manor of Canford, Dorset, and taken her against her will to his castle of Brimpsfield, and there detained her. John appeared before the King, and professed himself ready to prove that he did not abduct her against her will, and offered a fine of 300 marks for the marriage already contracted, as it was said, between them, provided she made no further complaint against him. On 10 March 1270/1 the King ordained that if she were not content, the said fine should be void, and John should stand his trial at a month from Easter. And as she was too unwell to appear before the King, commissioners were sent to inquire into the truth of the matter, and to certify the King thereof. John and Maud, and her Ist husband, William Lungespee, were all descended from Richard fitz Ponce. Why John Giffard should have referred to himself as being of the race of Le Lungespee as in the proof of age mentioned above he is said to have done-is not explicable; unless, indeed, the sobriquet was derived from the family of Clifford.

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Maud married William III De LONGESPEE, Of Amesbury, Sir in 1254 in 1st Husband. William was born about 1230 in Amesbury, Wiltshire, England; died before 3 Jan 1256-1257 in Blyth, Nottinghamshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Maud married John 1St Baron GIFFARD, Of Brimpsfield, Sir after 1257 in 2ND Husband 1St Wife. John (son of Sir Elias Elias IV GIFFARD OF BRIMFIELD, Lord of Brimpsfield and Alice DE MALTRAVERS) was born about 19 Jan 1231-1232 in Brimpsfield, Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England; died on 29 May 1299 in Boyton, Warminster, Wiltshire, England; was buried on 11 Jun 1299 in Malmesbury Abbey, Wiltshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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NOTE: This is the first cousin of my sons wife's line. Making Abby my 25th cousin. Three other identified lines also converge paths with Abby within 6 generations, branching prior to this person.

William de Braose, in the 22nd of Edward I [1293], had summons to attend the king with other great men to advise regarding the important affairs of the realm. And about the beginning of the ensuing September, he was one of those who embarked at Portsmouth with horse and arms in the king's service for Gascony. In the 28th and 29th of the same reign,he was in the wars of Scotland, and in the latter year he had summons to parliament as a baron. In the 32nd [1304], he was again in the Scottish wars and then enjoyed so much favour that the king not only confirmed to him and his heirs the grant of Gower Land, made by King john to his ancestor, but granted that he and they should thenceforth enjoy all regal jurisdiction, liberties, and privileges there in as ample a manner as Gilder de Clare, son of Richard de Clare, sometimes Earl of Gloucester, had in all his lands of Glamorgan. For several years afterwards, his lordship appears to have been constantly engaged upon the same theatre of war and was always eminently distinguished. In the 14th Edward II [1321], according to Thomas of Walsingham, being "a person who had a large patrimony but a great unthrift," his lordship put up for sale his noble territory of Gower Land, and absolutely sold it under the king's license to the Earl of Hereford; but its contiguity to the lands of the younger Spencer (who was then high in royal favour, and the king's chamberlain), attracting the attention of that minion, he forcibly possessed himself of the estate and thus gave rise to the insurrection headed by Thomas Plantagenet, Earl of Lancaster. Lord Braose m. Aliva, dau. of Thomas de Moulton, and had issue, Aliva, m. 1st, to John de Mowbray, and 2ndly, to Sir Richard de Pershall, and Joan, m. to John* de Bohun, of Midhurst. His lordship, who had regular summons to parliament to 18 September, 1322, d. in that year, when the Barony of Braose, of Gower, fell into abeyance between his daus. and co-heirs, and it so continues with their representatives. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage Ltd, London, England, 1883, pp. 72-73, Braose, Barons Braose, of Gower]

* The Bohun entry on pg. 58 in the same source cited above, states it was James de Bohun, younger brother of John de Bohun, who d. s. p., that Joan married.

William married Agnes Elizabeth De SULLY about 1300 in Gower, Glamorgan, Wales, United Kingdom. Agnes (daughter of Raymond de SULLY) was born in 1263 in Sully, Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales; died in 1328. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Giles married Beatrice De ST. HELEN in 1st Wife. Beatrice was born about 1270 in Wittenham Manor, Wallingford, Berkshire, England; died before 1300. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Giles married Maud WHITNEY before 1300 in 2ND Wife. Maud was born about 1275; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Family/Spouse: Agnes De CLIFFORD. Agnes was born about 1274 in Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England; died before 1332. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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He [Ralph de Camoys] married, 1stly, in 1303, before 25 June, Margaret, daughter of William, 1st Lord BREWES, by his 3rd wife, Mary, daughter of Robert De Ros, of Helmsley. [Complete Peerage II:507, XIV:138, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

Margaret married Ralph III 1St Baron De CAMOYS, Of Flockthorpe before 25 Jun 1303 in 1st Wife. Ralph was born about 1283 in Bourn, Cambridgeshire, England; died before Jun 1336 in Flockthorpe Manor, Hardingham, Norfolk, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Youngest son, Eldest brother was also William. [Magna Charta Sureties]

Family/Spouse: Eleanor De BAVANT, Heiress Of Wiston. Eleanor was born about 1298 in Wiston, Thakeham, Sussex, England; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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He [Roger de Coleville] married Margaret, daughter of Sir Richard DE BREWES, of Stinton, Norfolk, by Alice, daughter and heir of William Le Rus, of Stinton. He died 1287/8, before 6 March, date of writ for Inq. p. m. His widow died 1335, before 12 May, when the writ for her Inq. p. m. is dated. [Complete Peerage III:374, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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Margaret (or Margery) de Braose, died shortly before 12 May 1335; married Sir Roger de Coleville, Knight, born c1251, aged 26 in 1277, died shortly before 6 Mar 1287/8, Lord of Bytham, co Lincoln, son of Walter de Coleville, Lord of Bytham, co Lincoln, died 1277, by Isabel or Elizabeth. [Magna Charta Sureties]

Note: Neither Ancestral Roots, CP, or MCS mention a second marriage for Margaret, but Roger's death in 1288 would certainly allow for a 2nd marriage.

Biography
Margaret (Margery) de Brewes was born circa 1260 at Stainton Manor, Norfolk, England, the daughter of Sir Richard de Brewes and Alice le Rus.

Marriage & Children
She married Sir Roger de Coleville, 2nd Baron Colville, son of Walter de Coleville and Isabel/Elizabeth, circa 1276.

They had 1 son & 2 daughters:
1.) Edmund

2.) Elizabeth, wife of Ralph Basset

3.) Alice, wife of Guy Gobaud, & of Sir John Gernon

Death
Margaret (Margery) de Brewes died circa 12 May 1335.

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4 May 1288 Westminster. To Master H. de Bray, escheator this side Trent. Order to deliver to Margaret, late the wife of Roger de Coleville, tenant in chief of the king as of the honour of Albemarle, the following of Roger's lands, which the king has assigned to her in dower: the manor of Conythorp, a member of the manor of Bitham, the wood called ' Morkelawe,' with the meadow, herbage and all appurtenances, in the same manor, the wood called ' La More,' with the meadow, herbage and all other appurtenances, in the same manor and rent in Estbitham, which is a member of the manor aforesaid. Total value of land yearly assigned approx 70/.

7 May 1290 Westminster. To Henry de Bray, eschaetor this side of Trent. Order to cause dower to be assigned to Margaret, late the wife of Roger de Colville tenant in chief.

24 May 1290 Westminster. Assignment of dower to Margaret, late the wife of Roger de Colevill, of the knights' fees that belonged to Roger by Master Henry de Bray, escheator this side Trent, by the king's writ. There are assigned to her three quarters of a fee that Ralph de Sancto Laudo holds in Cunesby, co. Lincoln. Also the eighth of a fee that Robert Walran holds in Estbitham, in the said county. Also a fee that Laurence de Preston holds in Somerdeby, in the said county.

12 May 1335. Order to William de Clapham, escheator in the counties of York, Northumberland, Cumberland and Westmoreland, to take into the king's hand the lands late of Margaret late the wife of Roger de Colville, deceased, tenant in chief.

Margaret, late the wife of Roger de Coleville. Writ 19 May 9EIII. Robert de Colville, knight, her kinsman, aged 26 or more, is her next heir.

8 July 1335. Order to William de Clapham, escheator in the counties of York, Northumberland, Cumberland and Westmoreland, pursuant to an inquisition made by him shewing that Margaret late the wife of Roger de Colville held in her demesne as of fee the manor of Ayketon, county Cumberland, with certain tenements in Burgh on Sands pertaining thereto, in chief by homage and the service of rendering 27s a year at the Exchequer of Carlisle at the Assumption for cornage, and that Robert de Coleville, knight, her kinsman, is her next heir and of full age, to deliver the premises to him, he having done homage.

Margaret married Roger COLVILL, Of Bytham, Sir Knight in 1st Husband. Roger was born about 1251 in Bytham Castle, Bourne, Lincolnshire, England; died before 6 Mar 1288 in Bitham, Lincolnshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Margaret married Walter DEVEREUX, Of Lenhales, Sir after 1288 in 2ND Husband. Walter was born about 1261 in Lenhales, Herefordshire, England; died in 1320 in Lenhales, Herefordshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Mary married John De WEYLAND, Of Blaxhall, Sir before 1289. John was born about 1265 in Blaxhall, Plomesgate, Suffolk, England; died before 30 Oct 1312 in Middleton, Blything, Suffolk, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• FamilySearch ID: L4BB-Q9C
• TitleOfNobility: ; Knight
• Name: Giles De BREUSE
• _UID: 6C606A56797D41849453D7926C379496649F

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SIR GILES DE BREUSE, son and heir, aged 28 and more at his mother's death. He married Joan, daughter of Richard DE BEAUMONT, of Witnesham, Suffolk. He died shortly before 6 February 1310/1. His wife survived him. [Complete Peerage II:305, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

Giles De Braose
Also Known As:"Lord Stinton"
Birth circa January 1270 Stinton in Sall, Aylsham, Norfolk, England UK Died February 6, 1310 in Lincolnshire, England UK Immediate Family:Son of Richard de Braose (Brewes), Lord of Stinton Manor and Alice (Alicia) le Braose, Heiress of Stinton & Ludborough
Husband of Joan "Lady of Woodbridge" de Beaumont Father of Sir John de Braose, Lord of Stinton and Robert De Braose Brother of Margaret Devereaux; Mary de Weyland; Sibyl de Braose; Richard Breuse, Sr and Richard Braose

Giles married Joan BEAUMONT in 1st Husband 2ND Wife. Joan (daughter of Richard DE BEAUMONT OF WITNESHAM and Alice) was born about 1289 in Witnesham, Woodbridge, Suffolk, England; died in 1332 in Ewelme, Wallingford, Oxfordshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Family/Spouse: Margaret. Margaret was born in 1272 in Stinton Hall, Norfolk, England; died in 1296 in Stinton Hall, Norfolk, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Family/Spouse: Alice BEAUMONT. Alice was born in 1270 in England; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Giles married Katherine Dau Of Laurence De HUNTINGFIELD in 1st Wife. Katherine was born about 1275 in Huntingfield, Blything, Suffolk, England; died in 1303 in Huntingfield, Blything, Suffolk, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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(i) At which time his widow was claiming her dower. On the morrow of St. John the Baptist 25 Edward I, Richard de Brewose obtained from (his mother) Alice, que fuit uxor Ricardi de Brewesa, the manor of Stradbroke, Suffolk. The younger Richard m. Alianore. He was summoned cum equis et armis 12 Mar 1300/1. Blomefield erroneously assigns to the elder Richard the Inq.p.m. on his nephew Richard, for which see p. 308, note "d".

Family/Spouse: Alianore SHELTON. Alianore was born about 1282 in Stradbroke, Hartismere, Suffolk, England; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Eleanor (predeceased her husband), daughter of John Giffard, of Brimsfield, Glos. 1st Lord (Baron) Giffard. [Burke's Peerage]

Eleanor married Fulk 1St Baron Le STRANGE, Of Blackmere, Sir in 1296 in Whitchurch, Shropshire, England. Fulk (son of Robert Lord Of Chauton Le STRANGE and Alianore BLANCMINSTER) was born about 1267 in Wrockwardine, Wellington, Shropshire, England; died on 23 Jan 1323-1324 in Blakemere, Weobley, Herefordshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• FamilySearch ID: 9C73-2JN
• Name: Katherine DE GIFFARD
• _UID: 3FDFBEA634924BA4A7A16E0230AE967DE0EB

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He [Nicholas Audley] m. Catherine, daughter of John Giffard (1st Lord Giffard of Brimpsfield), by his 1st wife, Maud, widow of William Longespee, daughter and heir of Walter de Clifford. He d. 28 Aug 1299. Inq.p.m. 27 Edward I. His widow, who was b. 1272, had dower 23 Oct 1299; she was living in 1322, as a nun at Ledbury. [Complete Peerage I:338-9 XIV:50]

Katherine Giffard, Co-heiress of mother Maud Clifford
d/o sir John Clifford, Knt & Maud Clifford
b- 1272 (age 27 1299) - Brimsfield, Gloucestershire, England
m- sir, Nicholas I Audley,Knt, d- 1299
d- 1322 - Ledbury, Herefordshire, England


He [Nicholas Audley] m. Catherine, daughter of John Giffard (1st Lord Giffard of Brimpsfield), by his 1st wife, Maud, widow of William Longespee, daughter and heir of Walter de Clifford. He d. 28 Aug 1299. Inq.p.m. 27 Edward I. His widow, who was b. 1272, had dower 23 Oct 1299; she was living in 1322, as a nun at Ledbury. [Complete Peerage I:338-9 XIV:50]

Catherine married Nicholas De AUDLEY, Of Heleigh, Sir on 23 Oct 1288 in Brimsfield, Gloucestershire, England. Nicholas was born before 1258 in Heleigh Castle, Audley, Staffordshire, England; died on 28 Aug 1299 in Heleigh Castle, Audley, Staffordshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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