Crinan The Thane Lay Abbot Of DUNKELD

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• Name: Crinan The THANE
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Crinan; Lay Abbot of Dunkeld; married c1000 Bethoc, elder daughter of Malcolm II, and was killed 1045 in battle against Macbeth (the historic figure who murdered Crinan's elder son Duncan I, and subsequently is portrayed as having usurped the Scottish throne, most famously by Shakespeare), leaving (Maldred), with an elder son (Duncan I "The Gracious" King of Scots 1034-40; ancestor of the Sovereigns of England and later England, Ireland, Scotland, Great Britain, etc.). [Burke's Peerage]

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Crinan the Thane (Albanock, Grimus), of the kin of St. Columba, Lord of the Isles, Governor of Scots Island, Earl of Strathclye, hereditary Abbot of Dunkeld.

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The following additional information was given in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, [email protected]:

given name spelled: Cr?n?n [Ref: Henry Project]

Lay Abbot of Dunkeld, Governor of the Scots Islands [Ref: Weis AR7 170:19]
Heriditary Abbott of Dunkeld, or the Kindred of St. Columba [Ref: Royal Highness: Ancestors of the Royal Child by Sir Ian Moncreiffe, 1982, Hamish Hamilton, London Pg 20] note: "or the kindred of" = ? Either was or wasn't... Curt

In what was probably a shrewd political move, Malcolm II married his daughter Bethoc to a representative of the other major center of political power in Scotland, the church. Considering the close ties between ruling dynasties and the offices of major abbacies throughout Ireland and Scotland, it is also possible that Crinan was descended from a king of the Scots, which would completely legitimize his son's rule. [Ref: The Genealogy of the Early Medieval Scottish Kings, Edinburgh by Michael R. Davidson 1995, Holland House, Edinburgh, Scotland]

Malcolm's elder daughter Bethoc married Crinan 'the Thane', lay abbot of Dunkeld. At this period, when Celtic Monasticism was in decline, lay abbots appear to have been as accepted a part of the ecclesiastical structure as they became centuries later on the eve of the Reformation. Crinan was a great nobleman, as his title implies, and he possessed the added prestige of belonging to the kindred of St. Columba. It was from his abbacy of Dunkeld that the new royal House took its name, for Crinan and Bethoc were the parents of King Duncan I...Meanwhile, Macbeth consolidated his triumph by defeating and slaying Duncan's father, Crinan, in a battle at Dunkeld in 1045. [Ref: The Kings and Queens of Scotland] note: sorry, I sourced this early-on before I realized one also has to list author, publisher, date, etc.-we get too soon old & too late smart... Curt

Macbeth...probably a grandson of Malcolm II...asserted his claim to the throne against Duncan I, whom he killed near Elgin. In 1045 he killed Crinan, Duncan's father in battle, but in 1057 he was himself killed by Duncan's son, Malcolm Canmore (Malcolm III). [Ref: A Dictionary of British History by J.P. Kenyon, 1983 Stein and Day, Scarborough House, Briarcliff Manor, NY]

Research note: Supposed father: Since the abbacy of Dunkeld appears to have been hereditary in Cr?n?n's family (his grandson ?thelred held the title), it has sometimes been suggested that Cr?n?n may have been the son of this earlier abbot of Dunkeld whose death is known form both the Irish and Scottish sources [e.g., AU; ESSH 1: 471, 473, 577; KKES 252]. While the relationship is not impossible (assuming that Cr?n?n's father died when he was an infant), there is no known evidence to support it, and it cannot be accepted without further evidence [Ref: Henry Project citing:

AU = Se?n Mac Airt and Gear?id Mac Niocaill, The Annals of Ulster, Dublin, 1983
ESSH = Alan Orr Anderson, Early Sources of Scottish History, 2 vols. (Edinburgh, 1922, reprinted Stamford, 1990)
KKES = Marjorie Ogilvy Anderson, Kings and Kingship in Early Scotland (Edinburgh, Totowa, NJ, 1973)]

Jim, I recommend highly the Henry Project of which I've prevously supplied the URL. If you've not already, spend some time there. A most realistic scholarly work. He even debunks some connections common all over the internet & explains why. Quite a refreshing change from the normal junk genealogy that is these days prevalent. Not to condemn today's amateur genealogists - junk genealogy is not new - look at some of the earlier genealogies of the Habsburgs linking them back to the Old Testament (depending on which genalogist at the time, in different ways).

Regards,
Curt

Crinan married Bethoc (Beatrix) Princess Of SCOTLAND in 1000 in Scotland. Bethoc (daughter of Malcolm II Mackenneth King Of SCOTLAND and Hvarflad (Svanlaug) (Nereid) HLODVERSDATTER) was born about 984 in Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland; died in 1045 in Scotland. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Duncan I (d. Aug. 1, 1040, near Elgin, Moray, Scot.), king of the Scots from 1034 to 1040. Duncan was the grandson of King Malcolm II (ruled 1005-34), who irregularly made him ruler of Strathclyde when that region was absorbed into the Scottish kingdom (probably shortly before 1034). Malcolm violated the established system of succession whereby the kingship alternated between two branches of the royal family. Upon Malcolm's death, Duncan succeeded peacefully, but he soon faced the rivalry of Macbeth, Mormaor (subking) of Moray, who probably had a better claim to the throne. Duncan besieged Durham unsuccessfully in 1039 and in the following year was murdered by Macbeth. Duncan's elder son later killed Macbeth and ruled as King Malcolm III Canmore (1058-93).

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The following information was given in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, [email protected]:

FWIW:

1034-1040: King of Scots [Ref: Tapsell p180, Weis AR7 170:20]
King of Scots [Ref: Moncreiffe p20]
1018-1034: King of Strathclyde [Ref: Paget p153]
1034: King of Scots [Ref: Paget p153]
1034: Duncan, the son of Crinan, abbot of Dunkeld, and Bethoc, daughter of Malcolm, the son of Kenneth, reigned six years [Ref: Weis AR 170:20]

1038 or 1039: Ealdred, Earl of Northumbria, invaded Strathclyde, perhaps in an attempt to wrest it from the Scots. Duncan responded in 1040 with an attack on Durham. Like his grandfather's attack in 1006, it ended in disaster, with Scottish forces fleeing, and Scottish heads decorating the Durham marketplace. This defeat seems to hae weakened his authority so severely that Macbeth of the Cenel Loairn was able to defeat and kill him in battle near Elgin [Ref: Davidson 1995]

Donnchad mac Cr?n?in (Duncan I), king of Scotland (Alba), 1034-1040. Duncan I succeeded his maternal grandfather Malcolm II as king in 1034, and was made famous in literature as the victim of Shakespeare's Macbeth, based on the historical king Mac Bethad mac Findl?ech, who killed Duncan in battle in 1040. [Ref: Henry Project]

Duncan I (c. 1010-1040). King of Scots (1034-40), succeeding his grandfather Malcolm II. At his accession Duncan was already king of Stratyclyde, which thus became united to Scotia. In 1040 Duncan unsuccessfully besieged Durham and was twice defeated by Thorfinn, earl of Orkney, before being killed by Macbeth. [Ref: Dict of Brit History]

Duncan, who was not a good old king but a headstrong young one, succeeded in 1034, but, having prejudiced his position by a failure against Durham (1039) was killed by his rival in 1040. [A History of Scotland by J.D. Mackie]

Malcolm II's grandson Duncan became King of Strathclyde, as one of a line of Scottish sub-Kings of the small neighboring kingdom. When Malcolm died in 1034, Duncan succeeded him, and thus the kingdoms of Scotia, Lothian and Strathclyde were at last united.

?Duncan was quite young, probably about thirty-three, when he succeeded his grandfather. At the time of his death in 1040 his two sons, Malcolm and Donald Ban (or Donaldbain), were small children.

Macbeth, who was slightly younger than his cousing the King, had, according to the rule of tanistry (any mature male of the royal kindred was eligible for the kingship if he were rigdomnae - 'the stuff of kings'), an equally good claim to the throne by right of birth, though Duncan had apparently succeeded as their grandfather's chosen heir. In 1040 Macbeth asserted his claim by force of arms, slew Duncan in battle and made himself king. [The Kings and Queens of Scotland]

Marriage to Sibyla, a relative of Earl Siward of Northumbria, provided Duncan's son Malcolm a valuable ally in his efforts to wrest the Scottish kingship from Macbeth [Ref: Davidson 1995]

Duncan, son of Bethoc or Beatrice, daughter of Malcolm II, succeeded his grandfather in the year 1033. "In the extreme north, dominions more extensive than any Jarl of the Orkneys had hitherto acquired, were united under the rule of Thorfinn, Sigurd's son, whose character and appearance have been thus described: - 'He was stout and strong, but very ugly, severe and cruel, but a very clever man'. The extensive districts then dependant upon the Moray Maormors were in possession of the celebrated Macbeth". Duncan, in 1033, desiring to extend his dominions southwards, attacked Durham, but was forced to retire with considerable loss. His principal struggles, however, were with his powerful kinsman, Thorfinn, whose success was so great that he extended his conquests as far as the Tay. "His men spread over the whole conquered country", says the Orkneyinga Saga, "and burnt every hamlet and farm, so that not a cot remained. Every man that they found they slew; but the old men and women fled to the deserts and woods, and filled the country with lamentation. Some were driven before the Norwegians and made slaves. After the Earl Thorfinn returned to his ships, subjugating the country everywhere in his progress". Duncan's last battle, in which he was defeated, was in the neighbourhood of Burghead, near the Moray Firth; and shortly after this, on the 14th August, 1040, he was assassinated in Bothgowanan, - which in Gaelic, is said to mean "the smith's hut", - by his kinsman the Maormor Macbeda or Macbeth. Duncan had reigned only five years when he was assassinated by Macbeth, leaving two infant sons, Malcolm and Donal, by a sister of Siward, the Earl of Northumberland. The former fled to Cumberland, and the latter took refuge in the Hebrides, on the death of their father. [Ref: 110 Electric Scotland]

Electric Scotand can be found at (URL may have changed):
http://www.electricscotland.com/index.htmhttp://www.electricscotland.com/i ndex.htm

Jim, should you require further definition of my refs, let me know & I will oblige.

Regards,
Curt

RULED:
1034-1040

Duncan married Sibyl (Suthen) BIORNSDOTTIR, Of Northumbria in 1030. Sibyl (daughter of Biorn ULFIUSSON, Jarl Of Denmark) was born about 1010 in Northumbria, England; died in 1040. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Name: Aldred Earl Of NORTHUMBRIA
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Maldred, brother of Duncan I "The Gracious" King of Strathclyde 1018-34 and King of Scots 1034-40 (for Maldred's previous ancestry and a discussion as to what extent this may derive from Eochu Mugmedon, High King of Ireland in the mid 14th century, see American Presidential Families, pp.40-41 and 45-46, Morris Genealogical Books, SA, 1994); feudal Lord Allerdale; married Ealdgyth or Aldgyth, daughter of Uchtred, Ughtred, or Uhtred Earl of Northumberland or Northumbria by his 3rd wife Elgiva or Aelgifu, daughter of Ethelred II "The Unready" King of England 979-1013 and 1014-16, and was probably killed in battle 1045 when trying to avenge his brother's murder by Macbeth. [Burke's Peerage]

Maldred married about 1035. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Name: Miss De MORMAER
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The following post-em from Curt Hofemann, [email protected], puts doubt on her name (at minimum) and probably even her existence. I can't say that I disagree (Marmaer is a title, not usually a name).

I've seen this listed this way all over the internet. Also her gf is listed as "Lord of Mormaer", from Paget. To my knowledge Mormaer was a title not a place. So saying Lord of Mormaer is thus redundant. Also "of" or "de" Mormaer is like saying a king's dau was called (?) of King or (?) de King. (And why the French "de" in Scotland in the 900's?)

It is also doubtful that Cr?n?n's dau would ever be titled Mormaer. If she inherited the honor, which is extremely doubtful considering she had brothers, her husband would have carried the title not her. Whether there was a special title for the wife of a Mormaer (eg; an English earl's wife = countess), I am unaware of what it was.

If you find that I am wrong about this, I would be most grateful should you be so kind as to let me know. Thanks.

Regards,
Curt

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Malcolm III CANMORE (b. c. 1031--d. Nov. 13, 1093, near Alnwick, Northumberland, Eng.), king of Scotland from 1058 to 1093, founder of the dynasty that consolidated royal power in the Scottish kingdom.

The son of King Duncan I (reigned 1034-40), Malcolm lived in exile in England during part of the reign of his father's murderer, Macbeth (reigned 1040-57). Malcolm killed Macbeth in battle in 1057 and then ascended the throne. After the conquest of England by William the Conqueror, in 1066, Malcolm gave refuge to the Anglo-Saxon prince Edgar the Aetheling and his sisters, one of whom, Margaret (later St. Margaret), became his second wife.

Malcolm acknowledged the overlordship of William in 1072 but nevertheless soon violated his feudal obligations and made five raids into England. During the last of these invasions he was killed by the forces of King William II Rufus (reigned 1087-1100). Except for a brief interval after Malcolm's death, the Scottish throne remained in his family until the death of Queen Margaret, the Maid of Norway, in 1290. Of Malcolm's six sons by Margaret, three succeeded to the throne: Edgar (reigned 1097-1107), Alexander I (1107-24), and David I (1124-53). [Encyclopaedia Britannica CD '97]

According to Brian Tompsett, "interred at Escorial, Madrid, Spain."

Malcolm III built Kindrochit Castle, Braemar, Aberdeenshire between 1057-1093.
Click here for Photo of Kindrochit Castle (use browser back arrow to return)

RULED:
1058-1093

Malcolm married after 1056 in 2ND Husband 1St Wife. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Malcolm married between 1068 and 1069 in Dunfermline, Scotland. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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RULED:
1093-1094, 1094-1097

Family/Spouse: Unknown. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Melmare (brother of Malcolm III King of Scots in the late 11th century). [Burke's Peerage]

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Family/Spouse: Uchtred Of TYNEDALE. Uchtred (son of Waltheof Of TYNEDALE) was born about 1095 in Tynedale, East Lothian, Scotland; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]