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Isabel De MOWBRAY

Female Abt 1396 - 1452  (~ 56 years)

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  1. 1.  Isabel De MOWBRAYIsabel De MOWBRAY was born about 1396 in Bristol, Gloucestershire, England; died on 27 Sep 1452 in Gloucester Castle (As A Prisoner Of Margaret DE Beauchamp); was buried in Greyfriars, Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England.

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    • FamilySearch ID: K4F4-GKQ
    • Name: Isabelle DE MOWBRAY
    • _UID: EF6E4BF508594F7984C749F86B6F48C438E3

    Notes:

    Note: "Some Correction & Additions to CP", citing CP IX:610 note (c), suggests that Isabel may have been a younger daughter than her sister Margaret (because it was Margaret's son who became Duke of Norfolk), despite all the sources that have Isabel as eldest daughter.

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    Isabel, widow of Henry Ferrers, son and heir of William, Lord Ferrers of Groby, and 1st daughter and in issue coheir of Thomas de Mowbray, Duke of Norfolk. She died a prisoner of Margaret, Countess of Shrewsbury, 2nd wife of John Talbot, Earl of Shrewsbury, and step-mother of James Berkeley's 4th wife. She [Margaret] was granddaughter and coheir of Thomas Berkeley, Lord Berkeley, uncle of James, from whom the title had passed to James. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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    Isabel de Mowbray, d. 27 Sep 1452; m. (2) 1423/4, James de Berkeley, Lord Berkeley, b. c 1394, d. Nov 1463, MP 1421-1461 (son of Sir James de Berkeley, b. c 1353/4, dvf 13 June 1405 (elder brother & male heir of Sir Thomas de Berkeley, Lord Berkeley), and Elizabeth, daughter and heir of Sir John Blouet of Raglan, co. Monmouth, both sons of Maurice de Berkeley by Elizabeth Despencer [sic.], daughter of Sir Hugh le Despencer [sic.] and Alianore de Clare. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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    Isabel Mowbray (died 27 Sep 1452), eldest daughter of 1st Duke of Norfolk of the 1396 creation and widow of Henry Ferrers (dvp 1394), son and heir of 5th Lord (Baron) Ferrers (of Groby). [Burke's Peerage]

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    He [James de Berkeley] married, 3rdly, 1423-24, Isabel, widow of Henry FERRERS, son and heir apparent of William, Lord FERRERS (of Groby), and 1st daughter (whose issue became coheirs) of Thomas (DE MOWBRAY), DUKE OF NORFOLK, by Elizabeth, da. of RICHARD (FITZ ALAN), EARL OF ARUNDEL. She was, while about to appeal to the King in Council on behalf of her husband, arrested by order of Margaret, Countess of Shrewsbury (granddaughter and coheir of the last Lord Berkeley), and imprisoned at Gloucester, where she died 27 September 1452, and was buried in the church of the Greyfriars there. [Complete Peerage II:132-3, XIV:87, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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    He [Henry Ferrers] married, shortly before 13 July 1416, Isabel, 1st daughter of Thomas (MOUBRAY), DUKE, or NORFOLK and EARL MARSHAL, by his 2nd wife, Elizabeth D'ARUNDELLE, sister and coheir of Thomas EARL OF ARUNDEL and 1st daughter of Richard EARL OF ARUNDEL. He died v.p. and s.p.m. His widow married, in or before 3 Hen. VI, as 2nd wife, Sir James BERKELEY, of Berkeley, co. Gloucester [LORD BERKELEY]. She died in Gloucester Castle, being then a prisoner there 23 September 1452, and was buried in the Church of the Grey Friars at Gloucester. He, who was born at Raglan, co. Monmouth, about 1394, died in Berkeley Castle shortly before 5 December 1463, and was buried in Berkeley Church. [Complete Peerage V:357-8, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

    Note: Funny how some authors for CP (and other publications) like to fancy up the names "Moubray", "Arundelle", etc. It just adds to the difficulty (unnecessarily) of genealogy. Compare this entry to the similar one just above it for James de Berkely from CP. Rather than creating showy names, the author (G. W. Watson) of this article could have spent more productive time coming up with an approximate birth or death date for Henry. If the author was trying to stick close to the original spelling in certain documents, then why not "Richardus" instead of "Richard", or "Isabela" instead of "Isabel", or "Jacoba" instead of "James", as these were the names as written in Latin.

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    Note: Isabel died in the custody of Margaret de Beauchamp because of a prolonged feud over the estates of Thomas de Berkeley and Margaret de Lisle. The feud ended 20 March 1469/70 with the Battle of Nibley Green in which James de Berkeley & Isabel de Mowbray's eldest son William 1st/last Marquess de Berkeley killed Margaret de Beauchamp & John Talbot's grandson Sir Thomas Talbot, 2nd/last Viscount Lisle. See notes under James de Berkeley & William de Berkeley.

    Lady Isabelle Berkeley (de Mowbray) MP
    Gender:Female
    Birth:circa 1396 Epworth, North Lincolnshire, England
    Death:September 29, 1452 (52-60)
    Berkeley Castle, Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England
    Place of Burial:Greyfriars, Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England

    Immediate Family:
    Daughter of Thomas de Mowbray, 1st Duke of Norfolk and Elizabeth FitzAlan, Duchess of Norfolk

    Wife of James de Berkeley "The Just", 1st Baron Berkeley and Henry Ferrers - 6th Baron Ferrers of Groby
    In about 1424, James was wed to Lady Isabel de Mowbray (b. 1396 - d. 29 November 1452), in which James was her second husband and Henry Ferrers was her first. They had the following issue:
    Elizabeth de Berkeley (b. 1425 - d. 1482)
    Sir William de Berkeley, Earl of Nottingham (c. 1427 - 1492); William became the 2nd Baron Berkeley sometime after his father's death in 1463.
    James de Berkeley, Esquire (b. 1429)
    Alice de Berkeley (b. 1432)
    Sir Maurice de Berkeley VI, Lord Berkeley (c. 1435 - 1 September 1506), who was married to Isabel Meade, daughter of merchant Phillip Meade and his wife Isabel, in 1465 and had issue.
    Thomas de Berkeley, Esquire (b. 1435 - d. 1484)
    Isabel de Berkeley (b. 1438 - d. 1482)

    Mother of Alice Arthur (de Berkley); Elizabeth de Berkeley; Sir William de Berkeley, 7th Lord Berkeley; James de Berkeley, Lord; Isabel Berkeley and 6 others

    Sister of Thomas de Mowbray, 4th Earl of Norfolk; John de Mowbray, 2nd Duke of Norfolk; Elizabeth Catherine Pole Beaumont (Mowbray) and Lady Margaret de Mowbray
    Half sister of Elizabeth Hardwick, Duchess of Norfolk; Joan Goushill, Baroness of Stanley and Joyce Goushill

    Isabel was arrested by order of Margaret, the Countess of Shrewsbury, the granddaughter and co-heiress of the last Lord Berkeley, and the wife of the Earl of Shrewsbury, the son-in-law of the James' cousin, Elizabeth, who was forced to concede Berkeley Castle to James after a feud between James and Elizabeth, Countess of Warwick, daughter of the fifth Baron Berkeley and the wife of Richard de Beauchamp, 13th Earl of Warwick. Isabel was imprisoned at Gloucester Castle and died there 27 Sept 1452.


    Isabel married Henry FERRERS, Of Groby, Sir before 13 Jul 1416 in 1st Husband. Henry was born about 1394 in Groby Old Hall, Leicestershire, England; died before 1423. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 2. Elizabeth 6Th Baroness FERRERS, Of Groby  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1419 in Groby Old Hall, Leicestershire, England; died before 23 Jan 1482-1483 in Groby Castle, Groby, Leicestershire, England; was buried in St Philip and St James Churchyard, Groby, Leicestershire, England.
    2. 3. Maurice DE FERRERS  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1420 in Berkeley Castle, Gloucestershire, England; died in Sep 1506 in Berkeley Castle, Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England.
    3. 4. William de FERRERS  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1421 in Halifax, Yorkshire, , England; died in 1472 in Halifax, Yorkshire, England.
    4. 5. Henry FERRERS  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1423; died in 1472.

    Isabel married James "The Just" 1St Baron De BERKELEY, Sir between 1423 and 1424 in 2ND Husband 3Rd Wife. James was born about 1394 in Raglan, Monmouthshire, Wales; died in Nov 1463 in Berkeley Castle, Thornbury, Gloucestershire, England; was buried in St Mary's Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 6. Elizabeth de BERKELEY  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1425 in Berkeley Castle, Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England; died in 1482 in England; was buried in Gloucestershire, England.
    2. 7. Lord William BERKELEY  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1426 in Berkeley Castle, Thornbury, Gloucestershire, England; died on 14 Feb 1492 in Westminster, England; was buried in 1492 in Church Of The Augustine Friars, London, England.
    3. 8. James BERKELEY, III  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1428 in Gloucestershire, England; died in Feb 1452 in Castillon, France; was buried in Berkeley Castle, Gloucestershire, England, United Kingdom.
    4. 9. Maurice BERKELEY OF THORNBURY, Esq.  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1435 in Berkeley Castle, Thornbury, Gloucestershire, England; died in Sep 1506 in Mangotsfield, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England; was buried in Austin Friar's, London, England.
    5. 10. Thomas de BERKELEY  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1437 in Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England; died on 2 Jul 1484 in Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England; was buried in 1484 in Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England.
    6. 11. Elizabeth BARKHOUSE  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1442 in England; died on 30 Jul 1477 in England; was buried in Aug 1477 in England.


Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Elizabeth 6Th Baroness FERRERS, Of GrobyElizabeth 6Th Baroness FERRERS, Of Groby Descendancy chart to this point (1.Isabel1) was born about 1419 in Groby Old Hall, Leicestershire, England; died before 23 Jan 1482-1483 in Groby Castle, Groby, Leicestershire, England; was buried in St Philip and St James Churchyard, Groby, Leicestershire, England.

    Other Events:

    • FamilySearch ID: LTVZ-WP5
    • _UID: 35E92E16897540388E3C7D1D623B5091BA81

    Notes:

    BARONY OF FERRERS OF GROBY (VI) 1445

    ELIZABETH FERRERS, LADY FERRERS OF GROBY, granddaughter and heir, being only daughter and heir of Sir Henry FERRERS, by Isabel, his wife. She was aged 26 and more at her grandfather's death in 1445, and was then the wife of Sir Edward GREY.

    This Edward was a younger son of Reynold (GREY), LORD GREY OF RUTHIN, being his 1st son by his 2nd wife, Joan, daughter and heir of Sir William DE ASTELEY, of Astley, co. Warwick. He was aged 30 and more in 1445. The King took his homage, and he had livery of his wife's inheritance, 17 July 1445, the escheator in co. Leicester being ordered to take his fealty. He was summoned to Parliament from 14 December1446 to 26 May 1455, by writs directed Edwardo de Grey, with the additions, militi domino de Ferrariis de Groby [1446 to 1448/9), militi domini de Groby (1449 to 1452/3), and de Groby militi (1455). He was one of the Lords who swore allegiance to the King, in Parliament, 24 July 1455 (after the first battle of St. Albans). He died 18 December 1457. Lady Ferrers of Groby married 2ndly, before 2 May 1462, Sir John BOURGCHIER, a younger son of Henry, EARL OF ESSEX: he was a nephew of the Duke of York, and was with the Duke in the skirmish at Ludford, 12 October 1459, being, in consequence, one of those attainted in Parliament, for high treason, soon afterwards. She died on or just before 23 January 1482/3.

    Sir John Bourgchier married, 2ndly, before 6 July 1490, Elizabeth, widow of Sir Ralph ASSHETON, of Kingsnorth and Cheriton, Kent, knight for the King's body (who was living 14 April 1486), and, before that, widow of John KERIELLE, of Stockbury, Kent, to whom she had been 2nd wife: she was daughter of John CHICHELE, of Wimpole, co. Cambridge, Citizen and Chamberlain of London, by Margery, daughter of Thomas KNOLLES, Grocer, twice Mayor of London. He died in 1495, and was buried in Stebbing Church, but was probably transferred to Beeleigh Abbey. His widow died 2 April 1499. [Complete Peerage V:358-61, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

    Elizabeth married Edward GREY, 6th Baron Ferrers Of Groby, Sir in 1st Husband. Edward (son of Reginald DE GREY and Joan ASTLEY) was born about 1415 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales; died on 31 Jan 1457-1458 in Groby Old Hall, Leicestershire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Family/Spouse: Unknown. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 3.  Maurice DE FERRERSMaurice DE FERRERS Descendancy chart to this point (1.Isabel1) was born in 1420 in Berkeley Castle, Gloucestershire, England; died in Sep 1506 in Berkeley Castle, Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England.

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    • FamilySearch ID: G7HY-QF3


  3. 4.  William de FERRERSWilliam de FERRERS Descendancy chart to this point (1.Isabel1) was born in 1421 in Halifax, Yorkshire, , England; died in 1472 in Halifax, Yorkshire, England.

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    • FamilySearch ID: G88L-KKZ


  4. 5.  Henry FERRERSHenry FERRERS Descendancy chart to this point (1.Isabel1) was born in 1423; died in 1472.

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    • FamilySearch ID: G8QW-RPK


  5. 6.  Elizabeth de BERKELEYElizabeth de BERKELEY Descendancy chart to this point (1.Isabel1) was born in 1425 in Berkeley Castle, Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England; died in 1482 in England; was buried in Gloucestershire, England.

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    • FamilySearch ID: LRJC-9MR


  6. 7.  Lord William BERKELEYLord William BERKELEY Descendancy chart to this point (1.Isabel1) was born in 1426 in Berkeley Castle, Thornbury, Gloucestershire, England; died on 14 Feb 1492 in Westminster, England; was buried in 1492 in Church Of The Augustine Friars, London, England.

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    • FamilySearch ID: K66Y-Z7K
    • Name: 8th\1St Earl Of NOTTINGHAM
    • _UID: 6EB264E8825F47C18DC7E82DF5229D3EB026
    • TitleOfNobility: 1490, England; William, Marques Berkeley, Earle Marshall of Nottingham, Great Marshall of England, Viscount Berkeley, Lord of Berkeley, Lord of Mowbray and Segrave, and Baron of Bedford.

    Notes:

    William de Berkeley, 2nd Lord (Baron) Berkeley and 1st and last Marquess of Berkeley, KB (1475), PC (1482/3); b. 1426; involved in a family dispute with Margaret, Countess of Shrewsbury and his great-uncle (the 5th) Lord Berkeley's other heirs general over the family estates, challenged by the Countess's grandson Viscount Lisle to single combat 20 Mar 1369/70 to settle the claim and did so by killing Lord Lisle, created 21 April 1481 Viscount Berkeley; on inheriting half the enormous estates of the Mowbray family he was further created 28 June 1483 Earl of Nottingham, Earl Marshal and Great Marshal of England Feb 1485/6; settled 1487 Berkeley Castle and most of his other properties on himself in tail general with remainder to Henry VII in tail male with further remainder to his own rightful heirs (it may well be the alienation of Berkeley Castle for several generations following his death that led to the failure of his immediate successors as Lord Berkeley to take their seats in Parliament), created 28 Jan 1488/9 Marquess of Berkeley, assumed between 1481 and 10 Feb 1484/5 the title of Viscount of Catherlough, co. Carlow; m. 1st 1466 (divorce 1467) Elizabeth West, daughter of 3rd Lord (Baron) West and 6th Lord (Baron) La Warre of the 1298/9 created; m. 2nd Nov 1468 Joan (d. 24 Feb 1484/5), daughter of Sir Thomas Strangeways by Katherine, daughter of 1st Earl of Westmorland; m. 3rd c 1486 Anne (m. 2nd Sir Thomas Brandon, KG, uncle of 1st Duke of Suffolk of the 1514 creation, and d. 10 Sep 1497), daughter of Sir Thomas Fiennes, and dsps 14 Feb 1491/2, when all his titles except the Barony of Berkeley expired, having had children (but none that surived him) by his 2nd wife. [Burke's Peerage]

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    BARONY OF BERKELEY (II) 1463

    EARLDOM OF NOTTINGHAM (VIII, 1) 1483 to 1492

    VISCOUNTCY OF BERKELEY (I) 1481

    MARQUESSATE OF BERKELEY (I) 1489 to 1492

    WILLIAM (DE BERKELEY), LORD BERKELEY, son and heir of the last Lord, by Isabel, his wife, who "may bee called William the Wast all." He was born at Berkeley Castle, 1426, was in the retinue of Cardinal Beaufort at Calais about 1438, and, on his return, while still under age, was knighted. He petitioned the Crown against the claims of Margaret, Countess of Shrewsbury, and other the heirs general of his great-uncle Thomas, to the Berkeley estates, which petition was pending when the Countess died in June 1468. By her grandson and heir, Thomas (Talbot), Viscount Lisle, he, though but 19, was challenged to settle the claim by combat, which took place 20 March 169/70, at Nibley Green, wherein the Viscount was slain. K.B. at the investiture of Edward, Prince of Wales, 18 April 1475. On the marriage of the heiress of the Mowbray family to the King's younger son, the Duke of York, he released his right to a reversion of a moiety of her estates if she died s.p. (which happened soon afterwards on 16 January 1477/8) to the King and his issue in tail male (which issue became extinct in 1483), receiving a discharge for debts amounting to ?34,000, and being, when the grant was ratified by Parliament, created VISCOUNT BERKELEY, 21 April 1481. P.C. 5 March 1482/3. The vast estates of the Mowbray family being divided between him and his cousin (the other coheir) Lord Howard, each was honoured with some of their extinct titles by the new King, Richard III. He was accordingly, on 28 June 1483, created EARL OF NOTTINGHAM, while, on the same day, Lord Howard was created Duke of Norfolk and Earl Marshal. At the coronation of Henry VII, 30 October 1485, he was Bearer of the Third Sword, having been created joint Lord High Steward and Earl Marshal for the occasion. On 19 February 1485/6 he was created EARL MARSHAL and GREAT MARSHAL OF ENGLAND, with remaider to the heirs male of his body. On 9 November 1487 he was joint Lord High Steward at the coronation of Elizabeth, the Queen Consort. On 10 December 1487, and subsequently, he settled the Castle and honour of Berkeley, the Barony of Bedford, the Barony of Gower, and the greater part of his manors and Iands in England, Wales, and Ireland, on himself in tail general, with remainder to the King in tail male, with remainder to his own right heirs. For this consideration he received permission (of which he freely availed himself) to alienate divers other Iands, and was created, 28 January 1488/9, MARQUESS OF BERKELEY.

    He married 1stly, [at the age of about 41) in 1466, Elizabeth, daughter of Reynold (WEST), LORD DE LA WARR by Margaret, daughter of ROBERT THORLEY. From her he was divorced shortly afterwards, against which she appealed to Pope Paul II, who issued letters thereon, 20 November 1467. He married, 2ndly, November 1468, Joan, widow of Sir William WILLOUGHBY, daughter of Sir Thomas STRANGWAYS, by Katharine, daughter of Ralph (Nevill] EARL OF WESTMORLAND. She died 24 February 1484/5, and was buried at St Augustine's Friars, London. He married 3rdly, about 1486, Anne, daughter of Sir Thomas FIENNES (son and heir apparent of Richard, LORD DACRE), by Alice, daughter of Henry (FITZ HUGH), LORD FITZ HUGH. He died s.p.s., 14 February 1491/2, in the Sanctuary at Westminster, in his 67th year, and was buried at St. Augustine's Friars afsd. not leaving sufficient assets to pay the arrears of wages due to his household. At his death the Marquessate of Berkeley and the Earldom of Nottingham became extinct. His widow married Sir Thomas BRANDON, K.G., whose will, dated 11 January 1509/10, was proved 11May 1510. She died 10 September 1497, and was buried at St. George's Chapel. Windsor. [Complete Peerage II: 133-35, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

    Note: CP IV:9 states that Anne's father was John, not Thomas (same person, just wrong name).

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    Following copied from Berkeley Family page, www.rotwang.freeserve.co.uk/Family.html:
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    William Lord Berkeley, Earl Marshal of England (-1492)

    James and Isabel's eldest son, William (the Waster) accumulated many riches and honours. Of his inheritance from his mother's family he gave over 50 manors to King Henry VII.

    William was challenged to battle by Viscount Lisle, heir of the Earl of Shrewsbury. In the last battle between private hosts on English soil, the battle of Nibbley Green, the Viscount was defeated and killed by William's superior forces, including archers from the forest of Dean. William's forces rode at once to Wooton, to sack the place. The Viscount's widow promptly miscarried, and so the direct Talbot line ended. This finally ended the dispute between the two families.

    William became Lord Berkeley, Earl Marshal of England, Earl of Nottingham, Viscount Dursley, Marquis of Berkeley, and probably lots of other things as well. He outlived his three children, but then disinherited his brother because he had "married beneath him"; an Alderman's daughter named Isabel Meade. He left Berkeley Castle and its estates to the crown for 'entail male', which meant that only with the extinction of the Royal male line on the death of King Edward VI (-1553) did the Castle revert once more to the Berkeley line.

    My own person feelings about this man are that given the events surrounding the end of the Plantagenet line, and the start of the Tudors, with Henry VII's victory at Bosworth, and his subsequent ruthless purging of all those who stood in his way, it would not be surprising to find that William found himself with little choice but to make over the bulk of his wealth to the King's line.

    William married Elizabeth WEST in 1466 in 1st Wife - Divorced By 1467. Elizabeth (daughter of Reynold 3Rd Baron WEST, 6th Baron De La Warre and Margaret THORLEY) was born before 1433 in Oakhanger, Hampshire, England; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    William married Joan STRANGEWAYS in Nov 1468 in 2ND Wife. Joan (daughter of Thomas STRANGWAYS, Esq. and Katherine NEVILLE) was born about 1427 in Harlsey Castle, Yorkshire, England; died on 24 Feb 1483; was buried in 1485 in Austin Friars, London, Middlesex, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 12. Thomas BERKELEY  Descendancy chart to this point was born in Mar 1469 in Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England; died after Jun 1475; was buried in Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England.
    2. 13. Katherine BERKELEY  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1474 in Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England; died in 1476 in Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England; was buried in Church, Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England.

    William married Anne De FIENNES about 1486 in 3rd Wife. Anne was born about 1468 in Herstmonceux Castle, Hailsham, Sussex, England; died on 10 Sep 1497 in St. George's Chapel, Windsor, Berkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  7. 8.  James BERKELEY, IIIJames BERKELEY, III Descendancy chart to this point (1.Isabel1) was born in 1428 in Gloucestershire, England; died in Feb 1452 in Castillon, France; was buried in Berkeley Castle, Gloucestershire, England, United Kingdom.

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    • FamilySearch ID: LJ1T-R97


  8. 9.  Maurice BERKELEY OF THORNBURY, Esq.Maurice BERKELEY OF THORNBURY, Esq. Descendancy chart to this point (1.Isabel1) was born about 1435 in Berkeley Castle, Thornbury, Gloucestershire, England; died in Sep 1506 in Mangotsfield, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England; was buried in Austin Friar's, London, England.

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    • FamilySearch ID: KZPJ-VC3
    • Name: The Lawyer
    • Residence: Thornbury, Gloucestershire, England
    • _UID: 67D81C3329614BBBB30D83F8A3891D11B31E
    • Conveyance of property: 1471, Thornbury, Gloucestershire, England; Philip Meade, Burgess of Bristol, and Richard his son and heir conveyed to Maurice and his wife Isabel (daughter of the said Philip), a tenement in Thornbury, Gloucestershire called Marshallis place with close and garden attached."
    • succeeded to the title of 3rd Lord Berkeley: 14 Feb 1491

    Notes:

    Note: Though Maurice Berkeley inherited the title of Baron from his elder brother William, the 2nd Baron, William had given Berkeley Castle to the crown: Henry VII (and his male heirs). The family did not get the Castle back until after the death of Edward VI of England in 1553. Some say that William gave the Castle and most of the rest of the huge Berkeley estate away partly because he disapproved of his nephew & heir, Maurice's marriage to Isabel Mead, as it was below his station.

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    Maurice Berkeley, de jure 3rd Lord (Baron ) Berkeley (after his elder brother William, the 2nd Lord and 1st and last Marquess Berkeley whose male children all died without issue); Knight of the Body to Edward IV; married 1465 Isabel (died after 29 May 1514), daughter of Philip Mead, of Mead's Place, Wraxall, Somerset, Alderman and thrice Mayor of Bristol, and died Sep 1506. [Burke's Peerage]

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    Maurice Berkeley, b. c 1435, age 56 in 1492, d. Sep 1506, age 70 years, 2nd son, Lord Berkeley; m. 1465 Isabel Mead, d. Coventry, aft. May 1514, age 70, daughter of Philip Mead, Mayor of Bristol. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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    BARONY of BERKELEY (III) 1492

    MAURICE [BERKELEY] de jure [apparently] LORD BERKELEY [1421] brother of the whole blood and heir, who "may bee called Maurice: the Lawier " inasmuch as though totally disinherited by his brother, and though 56 years of age at his brother's death, he recovered, within 7 years, upwards of 50 manors and other lands, the alienation of which had been effected illegally. He had been Knight of the body to Edward IV.

    He married, in his 30th year (1465), Isabel (at that time a widow with 3 children who all died young), only daughter of Philip MEAD, of Mead's Place, in Wraxall, Somerset, Alderman, and three times (1458-59, 1461-62, 1468-69) Mayor of Bristol, by Isabel, his wife. She became heir to her brother Thomas Mead, inheriting lands at Thornbury, co. Gloucester, and at Wraxall, Ashton, Bedminster, and Tickeiiham, Somerset. He died September 1506, aged 70, and was buried at Austin Friars, London. His widow died after 29 May 1514, at the same age of 70, at Coventry, and was buried with him. [Complete Peerage II:135, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Berkeley,_3rd_Baron_Berkeley
    "Because of his marriage to Isabel Meade, the daughter of a Bristol alderman, who was considered to be below his social status, Maurice was disinherited by his elder brother William Berkeley, 1st Marquess of Berkeley, 2nd Baron Berkeley (1426? 1492), who died without surviving progeny. As he never therefore possessed Berkeley Castle, he had no claim to the ancient feudal barony of Berkeley, which was dependant on landholdings."

    The late lord's brother, now stripped of the ancient honours and possessions of his forefathers, (though he continued through his life to be styled by courtesy Lord Berkeley,) resided, as has been stated, at Thornbury, where, of his own and his wife's, he had a fair estate.

    As soon as the inquisitions after his brother's death were returned into Chancery, Maurice commenced proceedings to recover from the Crown some of the manors which the Marquess had given away, being advised that such alienations were illegal, and contrary to some old settlements and entails. In these litigations he was generally successful, the late Marquess, in his anxiety to barter his lands for honours and patronage, having often overlooked the nature of the titles by which he held them. Maurice's first success was the recovery of the manor of Sages in Slimbridge, consisting of seven tenements and 290 acres of land, and he entered into possession and held his first court there in 1499. Many other similar suits followed, with the like success, and while these were going on the manor and borough of Tetbury, and several others descended to him as one of the heirs of the lord Breouse. In 1505 he claimed and recovered the advowson of the Church of Wotton-under-Edge, but immediately made it over to the Abbey of Tewkesbury. He also commenced a suit to recover the advowson of Slimbridge, held by Magdalen College, Oxford, which was settled by a compromise. The College retaining the advowson but paying him a sum of money, and undertaking to remember him in their prayers.

    In his journeys to and from London, and when visiting his manor of Callowden, near Coventry, finding that heand his suite were not received at the Monastery of Combe, in Warwickshire, with the honour and respect due to him as descendant from one of its founders, Maurice exhibited a bill in Chancery against the Abbot and Monks, claiming his rights in respect of his descent from Thomas Mowbray, Duke of Norfolk, their founder, and obtained an acknowledgement of his claim.

    Maurice died in 1506, and was buried in the Church of the Augustine Friars, in London. His eldest son, Maurice, succeeded him.

    (Find A Grave Memorial# 67514712)
    SIR MAURICE BERKELEY de jure 3rd BARON BERKELEY "the Lawier" was born about 1436 of Berkeley Castle, Gloucestershire, England, to Sir James de Berkeley, "The Just," 1st Baron Berkeley (1394-1463) and Isabella Mowbray (1396-1452.) He married Lady Isabel Meade, about 1465 of Berkeley Castle, Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England.


    BERKELEY CASTLE, GLOUCESTERSHIRE, ENGLAND

    Maurice Berkely was disinherited by his brother, and though 56 years of age at his brother's death, was able to recover, within seven years, upwards of 50 manors and other lands that had been alienated illegally.

    Maurice Berkeley died in September 1506 of Berkeley Castle, Gloucestershire, England, age 70. He is buried at Church of the Augustine Friars, London.

    LADY ISABEL MEADE was born about 1444 of Bristol, Gloucestershire, England, to Sir Philip Meade (1415-1471) and Lady Isabel Sharp (1420-1444). She married Maurice Berkeley about 1465 of Berkeley Castle, Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England.

    Isabel inherited lands at Thornbury, Gloucestersire, and at Wraxall, Ashton, Bedminister, and Tickenham, Somerset from her brother, Thomas.

    Isabel Meade passed away 29 May 1514, at Coventry, Warwickshire, England, age 30. She was buried at Augustine Friars Church, London, England.


    Children of Maurice Berkeley and Isabel Meade:

    1. Maurice Berkeley, 4th Baron de Berkeley (1467)
    2.Thomas de Berkeley, 5th Baron de Berkeley (1472-)
    3.James Berkeley of Thornbury
    4.Anne DE BERKELEY (1474-1523)


    Maurice married Isabel MEAD in 1465 in Berkeley Castle, Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England. Isabel was born about 1444 in Mead's Place, Wraxell, Somerset, England; died after 29 May 1514 in Coventry, Warwickshire, England; was buried in Austin Friar's, London, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 14. Maurice "The Courtier" 4Th Baron BERKELEY, Sir  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1467 in Thornbury, Gloucestershire, England; died on 12 Sep 1523 in Calais, France (Dsp Legit); was buried in Trinity Chapel, Calais, France.
    2. 15. Katherine BERKELEY  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1469 in Stoke Gifford, Chipping Sodbury, Gloucestershire, England; died on 6 Sep 1526 in Dartford, Kent, England, United Kingdom; was buried in 1526 in Dartford Priory (Defunct), Dartford Dartford Borough Kent, England, United Kingdom.
    3. 16. Thomas "Sheepmaster" 5Th Baron BERKELEY, Sir  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1472 in Thornbury, Gloucestershire, England; died on 22 Jan 1532-1533 in Mangotsfield, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England; was buried in St Augustines, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England.
    4. 17. Anne De BERKELEY  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1474 in Mangotsfield, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England; and died.
    5. 18. Joyce BERKELEY  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1476 in Berkeley Castle, Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England; died in 1481.
    6. 19. James BERKELEY  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1476 in Berkeley Castle, Thornbury, Gloucestershire, England; died after 1515.
    7. 20. Mary "Anne" BERKELEY  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1511 in Madresfield, , England; died in 1585 in Gloucestershire, England; was buried in 1585 in Rendcombe, Gloucestershire, England.

  9. 10.  Thomas de BERKELEYThomas de BERKELEY Descendancy chart to this point (1.Isabel1) was born in 1437 in Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England; died on 2 Jul 1484 in Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England; was buried in 1484 in Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England.

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    • FamilySearch ID: LCTZ-T17


  10. 11.  Elizabeth BARKHOUSEElizabeth BARKHOUSE Descendancy chart to this point (1.Isabel1) was born about 1442 in England; died on 30 Jul 1477 in England; was buried in Aug 1477 in England.

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    • FamilySearch ID: GSR6-VPD



Generation: 3

  1. 12.  Thomas BERKELEYThomas BERKELEY Descendancy chart to this point (7.William2, 1.Isabel1) was born in Mar 1469 in Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England; died after Jun 1475; was buried in Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England.

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    • FamilySearch ID: MC77-CDJ


  2. 13.  Katherine BERKELEYKatherine BERKELEY Descendancy chart to this point (7.William2, 1.Isabel1) was born in 1474 in Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England; died in 1476 in Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England; was buried in Church, Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England.

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    • FamilySearch ID: L1BH-QRB


  3. 14.  Maurice "The Courtier" 4Th Baron BERKELEY, SirMaurice "The Courtier" 4Th Baron BERKELEY, Sir Descendancy chart to this point (9.Maurice2, 1.Isabel1) was born in 1467 in Thornbury, Gloucestershire, England; died on 12 Sep 1523 in Calais, France (Dsp Legit); was buried in Trinity Chapel, Calais, France.

    Other Events:

    • FamilySearch ID: L8PF-Y9X
    • Name: The Courtier
    • _UID: 671E8862DC4C47BCA89D53B78D1D772F394A

    Notes:

    BARONY of BERKELEY (IV) 1506

    MAURICE (BERKELEY), de jure (apparently) LORD BERKELEY [1421], son and heir, who "may bee called Maurice the Courtier," was born 1467, probably at Thornbury. Keeper of Kingswood Forest 1508 K.B. at the coronation, 23 June 1509; Sheriff of co. Gloucester 1509-10, and 1515-16. residing principally at Yate, co. Gloucester; Sheriff of cos. Leicester and Warwick 1516-17. Knight of the body to Henry VIII, 13 April 1512; Marshal of the Army for Spain, 1512; Captain in the army in France, 1513 and again 1523. Lieutenant of Calais 1520. He is said to have been summoned to the Parliament of 15 April 1523 (at which time he was still abroad), and to have been advised to accept the honour, though the intention, apparently, was to place him as junior Baron. He, however, never took his seat.

    He married (contract 28 January 1484/5) Katharine, daughter of Sir William BERKELEY, of Stoke Gifford, co. Gloucester, by Ann, daughter of Sir Humphrey STAFFORD, she being then not much under 17. He died s.p. legit., 12 September 1523 at Calais, and was buried in Trinity chapel within the parish church there. His widow died " not full three years " afterwards, and was buried at Yate. [Complete Peerage II:135-36, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

    Maurice married Katherine BERKELEY on 28 Jan 1484-1485 in Contract Date. Katherine (daughter of Maurice BERKELEY OF THORNBURY, Esq. and Isabel MEAD) was born about 1469 in Stoke Gifford, Chipping Sodbury, Gloucestershire, England; died on 6 Sep 1526 in Dartford, Kent, England, United Kingdom; was buried in 1526 in Dartford Priory (Defunct), Dartford Dartford Borough Kent, England, United Kingdom. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 15.  Katherine BERKELEYKatherine BERKELEY Descendancy chart to this point (9.Maurice2, 1.Isabel1) was born about 1469 in Stoke Gifford, Chipping Sodbury, Gloucestershire, England; died on 6 Sep 1526 in Dartford, Kent, England, United Kingdom; was buried in 1526 in Dartford Priory (Defunct), Dartford Dartford Borough Kent, England, United Kingdom.

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    • FamilySearch ID: LTCL-4WY
    • _UID: 093EDBD6B69C4B3C9E2A78829A43F532970D

    Katherine married Maurice "The Courtier" 4Th Baron BERKELEY, Sir on 28 Jan 1484-1485 in Contract Date. Maurice (son of Maurice BERKELEY OF THORNBURY, Esq. and Isabel MEAD) was born in 1467 in Thornbury, Gloucestershire, England; died on 12 Sep 1523 in Calais, France (Dsp Legit); was buried in Trinity Chapel, Calais, France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  5. 16.  Thomas "Sheepmaster" 5Th Baron BERKELEY, SirThomas "Sheepmaster" 5Th Baron BERKELEY, Sir Descendancy chart to this point (9.Maurice2, 1.Isabel1) was born in 1472 in Thornbury, Gloucestershire, England; died on 22 Jan 1532-1533 in Mangotsfield, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England; was buried in St Augustines, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England.

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    • FamilySearch ID: LT63-HKG
    • Name: Sheepmaster
    • _UID: 554FA12BB9964A9DA62C07E5C61A9DC6A7E2

    Notes:

    Thomas Berkeley [2nd son, elder brother Maurice, 4th Lord dspl 12 Sep 1523], de jure 5th Lord (Baron) Berkeley; born 1472; knighted 9 Sep 1513 at Battle of Flodden, Constable of Berkeley Castle 1514, Sheriff of Glos Nov 1522-Nov 1523, called to Parliament 9 Aug 1529 by writ worded as being to "Thomas Berkley de Berkley"; married 1st 1504/5 Eleanor (died 1525), daughter of Sir Marmaduke Constable, of Flamborough, Yorks, and widow of William Ingleby; married 2nd 1526 Cicely (died July/Nov 1558), daughter and coheir of ? Arnold and widow of Richard Rowdon, of Gloucester, and died 22 Jan 1532/3, leaving by his 1st wife. [Burke's Peerage]

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    BARONY OF BERKELEY (V) 1523, (I) 1529

    THOMAS (BERKELEY), dejure (apparently) LORD BERKELEY [1421], brother and heir, who "may bee called Thomas the Sheepmaster," he "living a kind of grazier's life, having his flocks of sheep sommering in one place and wintering in other places as hee observed the feilds and pastures to bee sound and could bargaine best cheape." He was b. 1472, probably at Thornbury, and on 9 September 1513 held a command at the battle of Flodden, receiving Knighthood the same day from the Earl of Surrey. Constable of Berkeley Castle 15 May 1514. Sheriff of co. Gloucester November 1522 to November 1523. On 9 July 1528 Thomas, Duke of Norfolk, became a trustee for his cousin Thomas Berkeley, who is then described as "Lord Berkeley, Mowbray and Segrave. On 9 August 1529 was summoned to Parliament by writ directed Thome Berkley de Berkley.

    He married, 1stly, 1504-05, Eleanor, widow of John INGLEBY, of Ripley co. York, daughter of Sir Marmaduke CONSTABLE, of Flamborough, co. York, by his 2nd wife Joyce, daughter of Sir Humphrey STAFFORD, of Grafton. She died 1525, and was buried at St. Augustine's, Bristol. He married, 2ndly, in 1526, Cicely, widow of Richard ROWDON, of Gloucester, daughter and coheir of, apparently (--) ARNOLD, of co. Gloucester. He died at Mangotsfield, Bristol, 22 January 1532/3, in his 61st year, and was buried at St. Augustline's. His widow, "called my Lady Cicely of Bristol," died between July and November 1558, at Bristol, and was buried at St. Augustine's. [Complete Peerage II:136-7, XIV:87, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

    Thomas married Eleanor CONSTABLE between 1504 and 1505 in 2ND Husband 1St Wife. Eleanor was born about 1485 in Burton Constable, North Riding Yorkshire, England; died in 1525 in Mangotsfield, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England; was buried in St Augustines, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 21. Muriel BERKELEY  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1516 in Mangotsfield, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England; died about 1541 in Coughton, Alcester, Warwickshire, England.

    Thomas married Cicely ARNOLD in 1526 in 2ND Husband, 2ND Wife. Cicely was born about 1472 in Llanthony, Monmouthshire, Wales; died between Jul and Nov 1558 in Bristol, Gloucestershire, England; was buried in St Augustines, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  6. 17.  Anne De BERKELEYAnne De BERKELEY Descendancy chart to this point (9.Maurice2, 1.Isabel1) was born in 1474 in Mangotsfield, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England; and died.

    Other Events:

    • FamilySearch ID: LTPW-TGT
    • _UID: BA4F25263B134A718A8D20580AFED89C68B8

    Notes:

    Anne Berkeley; m. Sir William Dennis, of Dunham, co. Gloucester. [Magna Charta Sureties]

    Family/Spouse: William DENNIS, Of Dirham, Sir Knight. William was born in 1470 in Dyrham, Chipping Sodbury, Gloucestershire, England; died about 1534. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 22. Elizabeth Isabel DENNIS  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1509 in Durham, Oxfordshire, England; and died.

  7. 18.  Joyce BERKELEYJoyce BERKELEY Descendancy chart to this point (9.Maurice2, 1.Isabel1) was born in 1476 in Berkeley Castle, Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England; died in 1481.

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    • FamilySearch ID: GX4S-2ZL


  8. 19.  James BERKELEYJames BERKELEY Descendancy chart to this point (9.Maurice2, 1.Isabel1) was born about 1476 in Berkeley Castle, Thornbury, Gloucestershire, England; died after 1515.

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    • FamilySearch ID: LLWF-Q3T
    • _UID: 2D39CDBA4D074BA89F73988E265FA150E248

    Family/Spouse: Unknown. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 23. Mary BERKELEY  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1505 in England; and died.

  9. 20.  Mary "Anne" BERKELEYMary "Anne" BERKELEY Descendancy chart to this point (9.Maurice2, 1.Isabel1) was born in 1511 in Madresfield, , England; died in 1585 in Gloucestershire, England; was buried in 1585 in Rendcombe, Gloucestershire, England.

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    • FamilySearch ID: GFW2-YNM



Generation: 4

  1. 21.  Muriel BERKELEYMuriel BERKELEY Descendancy chart to this point (16.Thomas3, 9.Maurice2, 1.Isabel1) was born about 1516 in Mangotsfield, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England; died about 1541 in Coughton, Alcester, Warwickshire, England.

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    • _UID: 78032605F8284836BA6034E281FA809403A8

    Muriel married in 1527 in Berkeley Castle, Thornbury, Gloucestershire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 22.  Elizabeth Isabel DENNISElizabeth Isabel DENNIS Descendancy chart to this point (17.Anne3, 9.Maurice2, 1.Isabel1) was born about 1509 in Durham, Oxfordshire, England; and died.

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    • _UID: CB20378BE0D64853B8539608FA2FD821C905

    Notes:

    Isabel Dennis, daughter of Sir William Dennis, Knight, of Dunham, co. Gloucester, and Anne Berkeley. [Magna Charta Sureties]

    Elizabeth married John BERKELEY, Of Stoke Gifford, Sir in England. John (son of Richard BERKELEY, Of Stoke Gifford and Elizabeth CONINGSBY) was born in 1506 in Stoke Gifford, Chipping Sodbury, Gloucestershire, England; died on 28 Jun 1546 in Stoke, Gloucestershire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 24. Richard BERKELEY  Descendancy chart to this point was born in in Stoke, Gloucestershire, England; died on 26 Apr 1605 in France.

  3. 23.  Mary BERKELEYMary BERKELEY Descendancy chart to this point (19.James3, 9.Maurice2, 1.Isabel1) was born about 1505 in England; and died.

    Other Events:

    • _UID: 4134EDF26A9A4BAEA8229D82BE233717694A

    Notes:

    The following post to SGM, 30 Sep 1998, by John Carmi Parsons, gives some details of Mary:

    From: John Carmi Parsons ([email protected])
    Subject: Henry VIII's bastards
    Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
    Date: 1998/09/30

    Henry VIII is said to have fathered by Mary (or Elizabeth) Berkeley, afterwards wife of Thomas Perrott of Istingston and Harroldston, Pembs., a son known as John Perrott (1527?-1592). "Commonly reputed" (_Dict. of Natl Biography_, s.v. "Perrott, sir John") as the king's son, Perrott bore a remarkable resemblance to the king and in later years openly referred to himself as Elizabeth I's brother. He was created K.B. for the coronation of Edward VI in 1547 and, in the official account of Elizabeth I's coronation procession through London, Perrott is the only individual apart from Elizabeth herself who is mentioned by name. He served as Deputy of Ireland for Elizabeth I and in connection with his tenure of that office (not his birth) he was accused of high treason but died in the Tower before he could be convicted (in fact Elizabeth may well have been preparing to pardon him at the time of his death, and later restored his son to his estates).

    He married twice:

    First to Anne, da. of Sir Thomas Cheyney of Shurland (Kent), and had one son, Sir Thomas Perrot, m. Dorothy Devereux, dau. of Walter, earl of Essex

    Second to Jane dau. of Hugh Pruet of Thorny, Devon, and had another son William (d. unm 1597), a dau. Anne m. John Philips, and a dau. Lettice m. first, Roland Lacharn of St Bride's; second, Walter Vaughan also of St Bride's (from which marriage the present viscount St David's descends).

    Sir John Perrott also left three natural children:

    1-2. Sir James Perrott (1571-1637) by Sibyl Jones of co. Radnor; and also by her a dau. who m. one David Morgan, gent.

    3. Elizabeth, dau. of Sir Christopher Hatton (!), he had a dau. Elizabeth m. Hugh Butler of Johnston.

    Perrott's living progeny must be innumerable by now. But few biographies of Henry VIII refer to him and many historians are unaware of his existence. Has anyone any confirming evidence for his paternity?

    Many historians are also unaware of the existence of at least one other bastard child of Henry VIII, his daughter Etheldreda or Audrey Malte, the child of Joan Dingley or Dyngley, said to have been a royal laundress. Joan Dingley subsequently married a man named Dobson. It appears that the king's tailor, John Malte, was persuaded to recognize Audrey as *his* illegitimate daughter, but that hardly explains the extensive lands Henry granted the girl.

    Like John Perrott, Audrey seems to have been born during the years in which Henry's marriage to Katherine of Aragon was deteriorating but before Anne Boleyn became his official mistress and bedfellow--i.e., in the late 1520s. Audrey Malte married in the year of King Henry's death (1547) John Harrington (d. 1582). She was living in 1555 (Cal. Patent Rolls 1555-57, pp. 95-96), but had died without issue by around 1559 when her husband must have remarried (his eldest son by his second wife was born ca 1560). Her widower obtained much of her property after her death. See N. E. McClure, _Letters and Epigrams of Sir John Harington_ (Philadelphia, 1930), p. 64; _Misc. Genealogica et Heraldica_, N.S., iii, p. 18, and iv, p. 191.

    So, with the ill-fated Henry fitz Roy, duke of Richmond, Henry VIII had in all as many as 3 bastards. This should bring about some revision of the position taken in Ives' _Anne Boleyn_ that Henry suffered from low fertility. After all, Katherine of Aragon conceived at least 6 times by Henry within 9 years (1509-18); Henry fitz Roy was conceived in 1518 or 1519, for a 7th pregnancy Henry caused within those same 9 years. As above, John Perrott and Audrey Malte were probably both born in the late 1520s after Henry had ceased to cohabit with Katherine of Aragon. Had Henry kept a single mistress in those years, there might have been a more regular pattern of births, but his sexual liaisons at that time seem to have been brief.

    Anne Boleyn conceived at least 3 times between December 1532 and late 1535--that is, 3 times in 3 years. Ives' argument that Anne's pregnancies were oddly spaced, that Henry seemed "unable" to make her pregnant for more than a year after she miscarried in 1534, seems strained and tendentious.

    Jane Seymour married Henry in May 1536 and must have conceived Edward VI in February 1537, only 9 months after their marriage.

    Probably Henry never consummated his marriage with Anne of Cleves.

    If Katherine Howard never conceived by Henry, neither did she conceive by a lover, suggesting that (a) she was lucky in this if in little else; (b) her early promiscuity left her barren through abortion, miscarriage or venereal infection; (c) she had access to some kind of efficacious contraceptive lore. Her grandmother's house had clearly been a hothouse of sexual activity among the young girls living there, who would clearly have had every reason to welcome such contraceptive information, and it might later have stood Katherine in good stead. (Or maybe not.)

    If Henry VIII did cohabit with Katherine Parr, he may well have suffered from lower fertility levels by that time in his life because of his chronic osteomyelitis, resulting from a tournament injury suffered early in life. Katherine was certainly fertile at this time, for she married her 4th husband, Thomas Seymour, in May 1547 and died in childbirth in September 1548.

    John Parsons

    Mary married before 1526 in No Marriage. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]