John HERON, Of Ford, Sir Knight

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• _UID: F9A4BFB4FB0145F88CA58B264A055B9D7268

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Sir John Heron, Knight, son of William and Isabel (Scott) Heron, b. 1415/18, Sheriff of Northumberland 1440-1441, 1451-1452, 1456-57, slain at battle of Towton, 29 Mar 1461. [Ancestral Roots]

Note: WRONG! AR is using CP VI:488-489 as part of its source on this. If one reads CP, they say John was son of a different William Heron and Isabel (last name unknown). The William Heron AR refers to (who did m. Isabel Scott, and was Elizabeth's grandfather), d. 10 Nov 1400, while John's father William Heron, d. 20 Jan 1427/8. This misled me for some time.

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She [Elizabeth Heron] m. (disp. 11 July 1438) John, son of her guardian, William Heron aforesaid, by his wife Isabel. John was 10 or 13 years of age in 1428 and then in ward to the King. John and Elizabeth had livery of their lands in Northamptonshire and Elandshire from the Bishop of Durham in 140-41, and, having entered on the other lands of their inheritance without due livery, received the King's pardon in 1449. As "John Heron esq." he was appointed one of the Keepers of Bamborough Castle in 1438, assisting Sir William Elmedon, and in 1448 became sole Keeper on Elmedon's death; in 1459 John's son Roger became joint Keeper with him. He was thrice Sheriff of Northumberland, in 1440-41, 1451-52, and 1456-57. His authority in Redesdale is shown by a letter of apology addressed to him by the Prior of Durham in 1446; in 1455, as "Sir John Heron of Ford, kt.," he, with Robert Manners, "esq.," was thanked by the Privy Council for diligence in resisting the Scots' attack on Berwick. He filled many public offices in the district, being Commissioner of array, justice, &c., down to 1460. He fought on the Lancastrian side in the Wars of the Roses, and was slain at the battle of Towton, 29 March 1461. For having taken part in the execution of Richard, Duke of York, at Wakefield, 30 December 1460, he was attainted, and all his estates and dignities were forfeited, including the manor of Croydon, co. Cambridge, held by him jointly with William Tailboys. Robert Ogle was ordered to take possession of Ford Castle and to seize the body of Roger, Sir John's son and heir. [Complete Peerage VI:488-9, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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The following post by Chris Phillips to soc.genealogy.medieval indicates that CP is incorrect in its ancestry for John's father William. Instead of William (d. 1427/8), son of William, son of William (d. 1379), it is William (d. 1427/8), son of John (d. 1408), son of John, son of William (d. 1379) (ie. the middle William is replaced by two Johns).

From: Chris Phillips ([email protected])
Subject: CP correction: Heron
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2003-01-23 03:29:03 PST

I have placed some draft corrections to the Complete Peerage article on Heron at:
http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cp/HeronCorrections.shtml

These are the outcome of several months' discussion with Tony Ingham and Rosie Bevan.

I should make it clear that it was Tony who came up with the corrected genealogical scheme, and most of the supporting evidence from primary sources, and Rosie provided further evidence and discussion. I have tried to supplement the evidence from London sources as far as possible.

The main genealogical correction concerns the ancestry of John Heron (killed 1461), who married Elizabeth, daughter and heir of William Heron (d. 1425) (Sir William being the son of William (d. 1400), the son of Roger (d. by 1400), the eldest son of William (d. 1379)).

John was certainly the son of William Heron (killed 1427/8). CP identifies this William as a son of William, the second son of William Heron (d. 1379). But the evidence shows that he was in fact the son of John Heron (d. 1408), who was in all probability the son of John, the third son of William (d. 1379). (Just possibly John (d. 1408) was identical with William's son John, although this seems chronologically unlikely.)

Comments, criticisms and corrections will be welcomed.

Chris Phillips

John married Elizabeth HERON on 11 Jul 1438 in Dispensation Date. Elizabeth (daughter of William HERON, Of Croydon, Sir and Elizabeth (Anne) De OGLE) was born in 1422 in Croydon, Cambridgeshire, England; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• _UID: C3D457516F694AC79F1F27CB811F91CDD617

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According to both Ancestral Roots & Magna Charta Sureties, probably referring to the citation by The Complete Peerage given below , there is no evidence that Elizabeth is daughter of Sir John Heron & Elizabeth Heron, whom I have as her parents. They do not state that she is not a daughter, just that there is no evidence; therefore I am placing her as their daughter, without evidence, based on numerous people in World Connect who have done so and the citation from CP.

Note: Elizabeth's father John Heron & Robert's father William Tailboys held Croydon Manor together, so there was a family connection.

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He [Robert Tailboys] married Elizabeth, daughter of Sir John HERON. He died 30 January 1494/5, and was buried in Kyme Priory. Will as Sir Robert Tailboys, of Redesdale and Kyme, Knight, dated 6 April 1493 and testament 16 November 1494, proved 19 June 1495. [Complete Peerage VII:361, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

Family/Spouse: Robert TAILBOYS, 8th Baron Kyme, Sir Knight. Robert (son of Sir William TAILBOYS and Elizabeth BONVILLE) was born about 1451 in Kyme, Sleaford, Lincolnshire, England; died on 30 Jan 1494-1495 in Kyme Priory, Lincolnshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• _UID: 7174F2272BEF45CC8B0C4F210E4050A573A2

Family/Spouse: Hugh TYLNEY, Of Skirbeck & Boston, Sir. Hugh (son of Philip TILNEY, Of Boston, Sir and Isabel De THORPE) was born about 1436 in Boston, Lincolnshire, England; died in Deceased in Skirbeck, Lincolnshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Name: Agnes TILNEY
• _UID: 11C25808A5DD41A2B34886E7AF3B1F313A30

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Agnes (died May 1545), daughter of Hugh Tilney and sister and heiress of Sir Philip Tilney, of Skirbeck and Boston, Lincs. [Burke's Peerage]

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Agnes, daughter of Hugh Tylney, buried 31 May 1545. [Magna Charta Sureties, Line 63-10]

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Agnes was imprisoned in the Tower of London in 1541 (with her son Lord William Howard and Margaret his wife, and her daughter the Countess of Bridgewater), and attainted for misprision of treason in concealing the 'evil life' of her step-granddaughter, Katherine Howard, before her marriage to the King Henry VIII. "Agnes Howard, duches of Norff' of Lambeth" was buried testate at Thetford Abbey on 31 May 1545. [Plantagenet Ancestry, Faris]

Agnes married Thomas HOWARD, 2nd Duke Of Norfolk on 8 Nov 1497 in 2ND Wife. Thomas (son of John HOWARD, Kg, 1St Duke Of Norfolk and Catherine MOLEYNS) was born in 1443 in Stoke By Nayland, Suffolk, England; died on 21 May 1524 in Framingham Castle, Norfolk, England; was buried in Thetford Abbey, Norfolk, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]