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Carney & Wehofer Family
Genealogy Pages
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1472 - 1528 (56 years)
Generation: 1
1. | Charles HOLCOMBE was born in 1472 in Hull, Devonshire, England; died on 2 Jan 1528 in Dorchester, Dorsetshire, England. Other Events:
- FamilySearch ID: M1C4-FV9
- _UID: 1A00DCBFB28D4E5E829DDBA57027ABF2734F
Notes:
CONFLICT: WFT Birth Dorsetshire,England
Charles married Jane in 1510 in Dorchester, Dorsetshire, England. Jane was born about 1473 in Hole (Hull), Devonshire, England; died on 7 Apr 1499. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
Children:
- 2. Ellis HOLCOMBE
was born in Jan 1499 in Hull, Devonshire, England; died on 10 Dec 1585 in Hole (Hull), Devonshire, England; was buried on 16 Dec 1585 in Saint Winifreds Churchyard, Devon, England.
- 3. Elizabeth HOLCOMBE
was born about 1511 in Of Hull, Devonshire, England; and died.
- 4. Katherine HOLCOMBE
was born about 1513 in Of Hull, Devonshire, England; and died.
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Generation: 2
2. | Ellis HOLCOMBE (1.Charles1) was born in Jan 1499 in Hull, Devonshire, England; died on 10 Dec 1585 in Hole (Hull), Devonshire, England; was buried on 16 Dec 1585 in Saint Winifreds Churchyard, Devon, England. Other Events:
- FamilySearch ID: L6CD-CZG
- _UID: FFB9CAC2AAB34558A46D69F146B9556764BA
Notes:
CONFLICT: Birth 1515 hum3.paf WFT #0259
Ellis married Elizabeth SYDENHAM in 1535 in Devonshire, England. Elizabeth (daughter of Thomas SYDENHAM and Alice STEPHENS) was born in 1503 in Winsford, Dorsetshire, England; was christened in in Of Winsford Eagle, Dorset, England; died on 7 Apr 1590 in Hole (Hull), Devonshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
Children:
- 5. Thomas H. HOLCOMBE
was born in 1526 in Hull, Devonshire, England; died about 1579 in Ashton, Cornwall, England.
- 6. Robert HOLCOMBE
was born in 1527 in Hole (Hull), Devonshire, England; and died.
- 7. Nicholas HOLCOMBE
was born on 20 Aug 1528 in Seaton, Devonshire, England; and died.
- 8. Tristram HOLCOMBE
was born in 1529 in Hole (Hull), Devonshire, England; and died.
- 9. Charles HOLCOMBE
was born in 1531 in Hole (Hull), Devonshire, England; and died.
- 10. Walter HOLCOMBE
was born in 1535 in Hole (Hull), Devonshire, England; and died.
- 11. Jane HOLCOMBE
was born in 1537 in Hole (Hull), Devonshire, England; and died.
- 12. John HOLCOMBE
was born on 21 Sep 1540 in Ashton, Devonshire, England; was christened on 21 Sep 1540 in Of Hole, Devonshire, England; and died.
- 13. George HOLCOMBE
was born in 1542 in Hole (Hull), Devonshire, England; was christened on 1 Nov 1542 in Branscombe, Devonshire, England; and died.
- 14. Mary HOLCOMBE
was born about 1544; died about 1617.
- 15. Robert HOLCOMBE
was born in 1546 in Hull, Devonshire, England; and died.
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Generation: 3
5. | Thomas H. HOLCOMBE (2.Ellis2, 1.Charles1) was born in 1526 in Hull, Devonshire, England; died about 1579 in Ashton, Cornwall, England. Other Events:
- FamilySearch ID: LRZ5-VYN
- _UID: 7AF943F3CC254F20B173C29AEC3CFE7C2BAC
Notes:
Conflict: WFT Birth 1540
Thomas married Margaret TRETHURFFE (TRETHFORD) on 20 Jun 1559 in Ashton, Cornwall, England. Margaret (daughter of Reynold TRETFORD and Margaret ST. AUBYN) was born in 1505 in Landrake, Cornwall, England; died on 28 Jun 1576. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
Children:
- 16. Christopher HOLCOMBE
was born about 1560 in Devonshire, England; was christened on 15 Jan 1560 in Pembroke, Pembrokeshire, Wales; and died.
- 17. Gilbert HOLCOMBE
was born in 1565 in Hole (Hull), Devonshire, England; died on 14 Oct 1623 in Mylor Churchtown, Cornwall, England.
- 18. Josias HOLCOMBE
was born in 1568 in Of Cornwall, England; was christened in Nov; died in in Cornwall, England.
- 19. Robert HOLCOMBE
was born about 1570; and died.
- 20. Nicholas HOLCOMBE
was born in 1570; died in 1628.
- 21. John HOLCOMBE
was born about 1572; and died.
- 22. Margaret HOLCOMBE
was born about 1574; and died.
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6. | Robert HOLCOMBE (2.Ellis2, 1.Charles1) was born in 1527 in Hole (Hull), Devonshire, England; and died. Other Events:
- FamilySearch ID: MW3C-DHF
- _UID: F32B08FC838743188E4358BE9D85CB1F7A1B
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9. | Charles HOLCOMBE (2.Ellis2, 1.Charles1) was born in 1531 in Hole (Hull), Devonshire, England; and died. Other Events:
- _UID: 4F4A9BAA80D94177885FC3393C65964A538B
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10. | Walter HOLCOMBE (2.Ellis2, 1.Charles1) was born in 1535 in Hole (Hull), Devonshire, England; and died. Other Events:
- FamilySearch ID: L2BD-V18
- _UID: D5DBAE8A3D85408D8D89D0AAA92DFABD94E8
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12. | John HOLCOMBE (2.Ellis2, 1.Charles1) was born on 21 Sep 1540 in Ashton, Devonshire, England; was christened on 21 Sep 1540 in Of Hole, Devonshire, England; and died. Other Events:
- FamilySearch ID: LHV2-6RC
- _UID: 02F74AE3B6504CB79159337978DF145F8F15
John married Mary CHILOY on 23 Mar 1561. Mary and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
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13. | George HOLCOMBE (2.Ellis2, 1.Charles1) was born in 1542 in Hole (Hull), Devonshire, England; was christened on 1 Nov 1542 in Branscombe, Devonshire, England; and died. Other Events:
- FamilySearch ID: LRLY-F66
- _UID: 69F318126F2949D7AF5983751FDFD28593EB
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14. | Mary HOLCOMBE (2.Ellis2, 1.Charles1) was born about 1544; died about 1617. Other Events:
- _UID: 9723410ACF254ABE879FD5F14D9B60023775
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15. | Robert HOLCOMBE (2.Ellis2, 1.Charles1) was born in 1546 in Hull, Devonshire, England; and died. Other Events:
- _UID: BDEECEA6B0A44716BB8FED3A11066C23E70E
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Generation: 4
17. | Gilbert HOLCOMBE (5.Thomas3, 2.Ellis2, 1.Charles1) was born in 1565 in Hole (Hull), Devonshire, England; died on 14 Oct 1623 in Mylor Churchtown, Cornwall, England. Other Events:
- FamilySearch ID: LRZ5-FD3
- _UID: 0008D10E7B524AF5B5D3A30CD731ABA27FC9
- Will: 14 Oct 1623; Proved 18 Aug 1624 by sole legatee & exec. brother in law Wm Bonython
Notes:
Thomas Holcombe is NOT the son of Gilbert Holcombe and Anne Courtenay
George McCraken writing in The American Genealogist, Vol. 26:109 found that Gilbert Holcomb's oral (noncupative) of 14 October 1623, will stated "d.s.p.", (which means died without issue), and that Gilbert left his estate to his brother-in-law, Richard Bonithon. SEE SOURCE.
SEE IN MEMORIES: Appears Gilbert and Anne Courtenay had no children.
HOLCOMBE OF HULL
The visitations of the county of Devon : comprising the herald's visitations of 1531, 1564, & 1620, Part 2 (H-Z) Page 474.
https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/viewer/126381/?offset=0#page=39&viewer=picture&o=&n=0&q=
"J. L. Vivian's edition of the Visitations of Devon (Exeter, 1887), p. 474, states categorically that Gilbert Holcombe died at Milor, Cornwall, leaving a nuncupative will 14 Oct. 1623 in which he bequeathed his estate to his brother-in-law, Richard Bonithon. However, Richard Bonithon himself died before execution of the will and his next of kin was nephew John Bonithon (Bonython). The statement contains the abbreviation "d.s.p." which surely stands for "decessit sine prole" and means "died without issue." Since the immigrant Thomas Holcombe must be presumed to have been then living in England, he cannot have been a son of Gilbert Holcombe."
Thomas' history is derived mostly from land and probate records
At the time of Thomas' birth, the Renaissance was ending as was the reign of Queen Elizabeth I. Perhaps one of the major events of his childhood was the publishing of the King James Bible, which may have affected his life more than any other event of the early 17th century. The Mayflower landed in Plymouth in 1620 and Thomas certainly would have heard of it and perhaps been excited by the possibilities for a young man. The Colony of Massachusetts was founded in 1628 and the Colony of Connecticut was founded in 1633. The stage was set for the second wave of English colonists of which Thomas was a part.
Unknown Ancestry
The early published genealogies, Seaver on his page 8, and McPherson on her page 9, listed his parents as Gilbert Holcombe and Ann Courtenay. Neither of these writers cites specific references for this statement and there is evidence to prove the contrary. Both of these authors apparently used the Hiram Frank Holcomb Genealogical Research Collection at the Connecticut Historical Society, call number GEN029. This ancestry, unfortunately, has been perpetuated across the internet.
Shortly after the publication of McPherson's work, George McCracken wrote (TAG 26:109): Our two genealogies of the Holcombe family, those of Jesse Seaver, The Holcomb(e) Genealogy (Philadelphia, 1925) and of Hannah Elizabeth Weir (Mrs. Lewin D.) McPherson, The Holcombes, Nation Builders (Washington, 1947) both leave us with the impression that it is all but proved that the parents of Thomas Holcombe of Dorchester, Mass., and Windsor, Conn., were Gilbert Holcombe of Hull, Devon, and of his wife, Ann Courtenay, daughter of Peter Courtenay of Vrotonin, Cornwall.
Neither of these writers cites specific references for this statement and there is evidence to prove the contrary. J. L. Vivian's edition of the Visitations of Devon (Exeter, 1887), p. 474 [IN MEMORIES], states categorically that Gilbert Holcombe died at Milor, Cornwall, leaving a nun-cupative will dated 14 Oct. 1623 in which he bequeathed his estate to his brother-in-law, Richard Bonithon. The statement contains the abbreviation "d.s.p." which surely stands for "decessit sine prole" and means "died without issue." Since the immigrant Thomas Holcombe must be presumed to have been then living in England, he cannot have been a son of Gilbert Holcombe.
McCracken then goes on to dispute other conclusions made by McPherson about Thomas' heritage.
Several early authors state he was a member of Reverend Ephraim Huit's church, and Huit was from Kenilworth in Warwickshire. But, no Holcomb births or records were found from the Diocesan Court at Worchester. The Register of Wroxal, 300 @24, for the year 1634 did list the following; Sarah Huit daughter of Ephraim and Isabell his wife was baptized, and Nathaniel Griswold the son of Samuel Griswold and Anne his wife was baptized. Bowman has found clues recently that Thomas may have been from county Somerset, the city of Bridgewater. She has recently discovered that one of the early Holcomb births in Connecticut was recorded as James the eighth. This could be a clue to ancestry of Thomas Holcomb in that the birth occurred in the third generation of American Holcomb's, i.e. not time to have had eight generations.
Bowman lists the ancestry of Gilbert and Ann Courtney Holcomb in her Volume 2 without resolving the question of Thomas' parentage in order that future researchers not duplicate others' efforts in delineating this line.
Most recently (October 25, 1998), Bowman updated her Volume 2 with the comment that Christopher was the most likely ancestor of Thomas. The birth and death dates normally assigned to the son of Christopher are not correct nor the marriage to Joan Prideaux. The birth and death dates are those of Thomas, the actor, of London who married Francis Bartlett.
In 2018, for the first time since McCracken, David Williams, a published British researcher, investigated the possibilities of a lineal descent for the Southern Holcomb(e) lines from the Holcombes of Hole in Devon and/or their cadet branch of Brownslate in Pembrokeshire. In the "Magazine of Virginia Genealogy", Vol. 56, No. 4, page 278, he repeats previous disclaimers about Gilbert: "Gilbert sold the estate and mansion of Hole in 1605 to the Bartlett family . . . " and "died without issue in 1623 leaving his estate to his brother-in-law, Richard Bonython." He cites the will of Gilbert and parish registers.
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Gilbert was eldest son of Thomas Holcombe and Margaret Trethurffe. He Married Ann Courtenay of Votton, Cornwall in about 1594. In about 1600, he sold the Holcombe estate at Hole, Devon, England to Mr Mallock & Ellis Bartlett. The estate was subsequently renamed Down Ralph.
Gilbert married Anne COURTENAY in 1600 in Votten, Cornwall, England. Anne (daughter of Peter COURTENAY and Katherine RESKYMER) was born in 1573 in Ladock, Cornwall, England; died before 1642 in France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
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19. | Robert HOLCOMBE (5.Thomas3, 2.Ellis2, 1.Charles1) was born about 1570; and died. Other Events:
- FamilySearch ID: LHHQ-SSW
- _UID: E0D8250561E3471DB60CD22D4F5574A2059D
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