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Abt 1339 -
Generation: 1
1. | Marjory RAMSAY was born about 1339 in Auchterhouse, Forfarshire, Scotland; died in in Wester Powerie, Forfarshire, Scotland. Other Events:
- FamilySearch ID: G4R7-9K7
- Name: Marjory Ramsay
Family/Spouse: Patrick OGILVIE. Patrick (son of Patrick OGILVEY and Marjory GREY) was born in 1281 in Forfarshire, Scotland; died in in Auchterhouse, Forfarshire, Scotland. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
Children:
- 2. Walter OGILVIE
was born in in Wester Powie, Angusshire, Scotland.; died in 1365 in Kirkton of Auchterhouse, Forfarshire, Scotland.
- 3. Lady Agathe OGILVY
was born in 1329 in Kirkton of Auchterhouse, Angus, Escocia, Scotland; died between 9 Jan 1365 and 8 Jan 1366 in Angusshire, Scotland.
- 4. Margaret OGILVY
was born in 1359 in Forfarshire, Scotland; died in Deceased.
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Generation: 2
2. | Walter OGILVIE (1.Marjory1) was born in in Wester Powie, Angusshire, Scotland.; died in 1365 in Kirkton of Auchterhouse, Forfarshire, Scotland. Other Events:
- FamilySearch ID: G8Y9-QRB
- TitleOfNobility: ; Earl of Powry and Auchterhouse
- Name: Walter Ogilvy
- Occupation: ; Sheriff of Forfar
Family/Spouse: Christina KEITH. Christina (daughter of John KEITH and Isabella DE SOULIS) was born in 1319 in Auchterhouse, Angushire, Scotland; died in 1380 in Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
Children:
- 5. Walter OGILVY
was born in 1347 in Auchterhouse, Angus, Scotland; died in 1391 in Glscune, Angus, Scotland; was buried in 1392 in Moulin, Perthshire, Scotland.
- 6. Patrick OGILVY OR OGILVIE
was born about 1349 in Europe; and died.
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3. | Lady Agathe OGILVY (1.Marjory1) was born in 1329 in Kirkton of Auchterhouse, Angus, Escocia, Scotland; died between 9 Jan 1365 and 8 Jan 1366 in Angusshire, Scotland. Other Events:
- FamilySearch ID: GD9S-ZWV
- Name: Agathe Ogilvie
Family/Spouse: Malcolm RAMSAY. Malcolm was born in 1325 in Kirkton on Auchterhouse, Angus, Scotland; died in 1365 in Scotland. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
Children:
- 7. Isabel RAMSAY
was born in 1350 in Auchterhouse, Angus, Scotland; died in 1403 in Auchterhouse, Angus, Scotland.
- 8. John RAMSAY
was born in 1350 in Scotland; died in in Suffolk, England.
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4. | Margaret OGILVY (1.Marjory1) was born in 1359 in Forfarshire, Scotland; died in Deceased. Other Events:
- FamilySearch ID: GL2Z-3NH
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Generation: 3
5. | Walter OGILVY (2.Walter2, 1.Marjory1) was born in 1347 in Auchterhouse, Angus, Scotland; died in 1391 in Glscune, Angus, Scotland; was buried in 1392 in Moulin, Perthshire, Scotland. Other Events:
- FamilySearch ID: L1XK-NGF
- TitleOfNobility: ; Sheriff of Angus
Notes:
About Sir Walter Ogilvy of Auchterhouse
Sir Walter Ogilvy, of Auchterhouse; married Isabel, daughter and heir of Sir Malcolm Ramsay; and was killed in a skirmish with robbers 1391. [Burke's Peerage]
From Darryl Lundy's Peerage page on Sir Walter Ogilvy of Auchterhouse:
http://thepeerage.com/p291.htm#i2908
Sir Walter Ogilvy of Auchterhouse [1]
M, #2908,
b. circa 1360,
d. 1392
Last Edited=22 Feb 2011
Sir Walter Ogilvy of Auchterhouse was born circa 1360.[2]
He married Isabel Ramsay, daughter of Sir Malcolm Ramsay, circa 1380.[1],[2]
He died in 1392, killed in action.[1],[3]
He was the son of Walter Ogilvy of Wester Powry and Auchterhouse.[1]
He held the office of Sheriff of Forfarshire.[1]
He lived at Auchterhouse, Angus, Scotland.[1]
He fought in the Battle of Glasklune in 1392, against Highland invaders.[3]
Children of Sir Walter Ogilvy of Auchterhouse and Isabel Ramsay
1. Sir Alexander Ogilvy of Auchterhouse+[1] d. bt 14 Jul 1421 - 2 Oct 1483
2. Sir Walter Ogilvy of Lintrathen+[1] d. 1440
3. John Ogilvy [1]
4. George Ogilvy [3] d. 1411
Child of Sir Walter Ogilvy of Auchterhouse
1. Henry Ogilvy [4]
Citations
1. [S8] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 106th edition, 2 volumes (Crans, Switzerland: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 1999), volume 1, page 45. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 106th edition.
2. [S5162] Werner Kittel, "re: Normandy FAmilies," e-mail message to Darryl Roger LUNDY (101053), 4 February 2011. Hereinafter cited as "re: Normanday Families."
3. [S37] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes (Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A.: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003), volume 1, page 59. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition.
4. [S323] Sir James Balfour Paul, The Scots Peerage: founded on Wood's edition of Sir Robert Douglas's The Peerage of Scotland (Edinburgh, Scotland: David Douglas, 1904), volume I, page 111. Hereinafter cited as The Scots Peerage.
From "Duncan the fat's descendants become Robertsons" by Joe Adair:
http://www.adair.ca/Robertson/Robertson.html
Duncan's son, Robert became second Lord of Struan about 1355. Through his second marriage, he acquired the lands of Stermont. However, his first marriage to the daughter of Sir John Sterling of Glenesk created some friction due to shared inheritance of the lands of Glenesk in Angus with her sister who married Sir Alexander Lindsay. The Lindsays had a son, Sir David Lindsay.
The Lindsays were very powerful, owning 2/3 of Angus County and were overlords of the highland district of Strathnairn. The division of land to the two sisters may have annoyed our chief.
Sir David Lindsay expected trouble from his aunt's family, and quite rightly so as it turned out. He arranged a meeting with Robert to discuss the matter. Robert did not attend. Sir David Lindsay sent a scout to find out what was going on. The scout never returned. Robert did not attend the meeting, instead secretly met with Sir Duncan Stewart who was backed by his men and the Roses from Strathnairn.
Robert had 3 younger half brothers, through their father's second marriage. They were Patrick of Lude, Thomas of Strowan and Gibbon. These brothers led a small army of our clansmen and secretly joined with Sir Duncan Stewart and his men to form an army of over 300 in 1392. They marched into Angus to the east and killed many Lindsays and their Ogilvies allies and their homes were burnt. Three thousand head of Angus cattle were stolen and driven to Rannoch.
The surviving enemy regrouped and caught up with our clan near Blairgowrie. At the battle of Glasclune, the Angus men were defeated, but we suffered heavy losses. The cattle were driven along the valley of Strathardle to our clan territory.
Still the enemy was not content to let it stand. Sir Walter Ogilvie, hereditary Sheriff of Angus, got it in his head that our clan's action was on shaky legal ground. He and his possy joined the retreating Angus men previously defeated and caught up with our men at Glenbrierachan in western Strathardle, six miles northeast of Pitlochry. Sixty mounted knights and sundry others comprised the enemy.
This steel armour and long lances were matched against our array of weapons:
Claymore - large broadsword, sharp on both edges
Targe - small, light shield which sacrifices defense to make offence easier
Dirk - dagger that can be used while the enemy fends off your claymore
We sent the Angus cattle ahead and positioned ourselves on rough ground, difficult for the enemy horses. Thus a charge by the knights with lances lowered would be difficult.
The battle did not last long. Sir David Lindsay had pinned one of our men to the ground. Our clansman pulled himself up using Sir David's own lance and using his claymore, penetrated Sir David's stirrup and armour steel boot to nearly sever Sir David's foot off, having cut through to the bone. Unfortunately, our brave clansman died later of his wounds.
In the quick defeat of the enemy and their subsequent panic, Sir Walter Ogilvie (the now late sheriff), his brother, nearly a dozen knights and about 60 others were killed by our clan. After so much harassment over this simple cattle transaction, our clan realized that
Family/Spouse: Isabel RAMSAY. Isabel (daughter of Malcolm RAMSAY and Lady Agathe OGILVY) was born in 1350 in Auchterhouse, Angus, Scotland; died in 1403 in Auchterhouse, Angus, Scotland. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
Children:
- 9. Sir Knight Walter OGILVY
was born in 1369 in Lintrathen, Angusshire, Scotland; died in 1440 in Lintrathen, Forfarshire, Scotland.
- 10. Margaret OGILVY, Countess of Moray
was born in 1372 in <, , Morayshire, Scotland>; died in 1422 in Moray, Scotland, United Kingdom.
- 11. Alexander OGILVY, of Auchterhouse Earl of Airlie
was born about 1373; died on 24 Jul 1421 in Auchterhouse, Forfarshire, Scotland; was buried in Kinkell Church, Inverurie, Aberdeen, Scotland.
- 12. Sir John OGILVIE, 1st of Inverquharity
was born in 1375 in Castle Auchterhouse, Angus-shire, Scotland; died on 13 Mar 1421 in Arbuthnott, Kincardineshire, Scotland.
- 13. Andrew OGILVY
was born in 1378 in Castle Auchterhouse, Angus-shire, Scotland; and died.
- 14. Isabel OGILVY, of Auchterhouse, latterly of Bedingfield
was born in 1378 in Bedingfield, Suffolk, England; died in 1406 in Bedingfield, Suffolk, England; was buried in Bedingfield, Suffolk, England.
- 15. Lord Alexander OGILVY
was born in 1385 in Auchterhouse, Angus, Scotland, United Kingdom; died in 1461.
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7. | Isabel RAMSAY (3.Agathe2, 1.Marjory1) was born in 1350 in Auchterhouse, Angus, Scotland; died in 1403 in Auchterhouse, Angus, Scotland. Other Events:
- FamilySearch ID: LYSD-W21
- TitleOfNobility: ; Countess of Angus
Family/Spouse: Walter OGILVY. Walter (son of Walter OGILVIE and Christina KEITH) was born in 1347 in Auchterhouse, Angus, Scotland; died in 1391 in Glscune, Angus, Scotland; was buried in 1392 in Moulin, Perthshire, Scotland. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
Children:
- 9. Sir Knight Walter OGILVY
was born in 1369 in Lintrathen, Angusshire, Scotland; died in 1440 in Lintrathen, Forfarshire, Scotland.
- 10. Margaret OGILVY, Countess of Moray
was born in 1372 in <, , Morayshire, Scotland>; died in 1422 in Moray, Scotland, United Kingdom.
- 11. Alexander OGILVY, of Auchterhouse Earl of Airlie
was born about 1373; died on 24 Jul 1421 in Auchterhouse, Forfarshire, Scotland; was buried in Kinkell Church, Inverurie, Aberdeen, Scotland.
- 12. Sir John OGILVIE, 1st of Inverquharity
was born in 1375 in Castle Auchterhouse, Angus-shire, Scotland; died on 13 Mar 1421 in Arbuthnott, Kincardineshire, Scotland.
- 13. Andrew OGILVY
was born in 1378 in Castle Auchterhouse, Angus-shire, Scotland; and died.
- 14. Isabel OGILVY, of Auchterhouse, latterly of Bedingfield
was born in 1378 in Bedingfield, Suffolk, England; died in 1406 in Bedingfield, Suffolk, England; was buried in Bedingfield, Suffolk, England.
- 15. Lord Alexander OGILVY
was born in 1385 in Auchterhouse, Angus, Scotland, United Kingdom; died in 1461.
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8. | John RAMSAY (3.Agathe2, 1.Marjory1) was born in 1350 in Scotland; died in in Suffolk, England. Other Events:
- FamilySearch ID: LVLB-T9T
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Generation: 4
9. | Sir Knight Walter OGILVY (5.Walter3, 2.Walter2, 1.Marjory1) was born in 1369 in Lintrathen, Angusshire, Scotland; died in 1440 in Lintrathen, Forfarshire, Scotland. Other Events:
- FamilySearch ID: LZVH-28Q
- TitleOfNobility: Scotland; 1st Lord High Treasurer
- Name: Walter Ogilvie
- _UID: AF37C534E62949FF967EB9CCCCF94D14F52C
Notes:
By Isabel de Durward, heiress of Lintrathen, he had two sons and a daughter. The sons were: Sir John of Lintrathen, his heir, whose son, Sir James Ogilvy of Airlie, was created by James IV on 28 April 1491 a peer of parliament by the title of Lord Ogilvy of Airlie; and Sir Walter of Auchleven, whose eldest son, Sir James, was ancestor of the Ogilvys, earls of Findlater, and whose second son. Sir Walter Ogilvy of Boyne, was ancestor of the lords of Banff. The daughter, Giles, was married to Sir William Arbuthnott of Arbuthnott.
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Dictionary_of_National_Biography,_1885-1900/Ogilvy,_Walter
About Sir Walter Ogilvy of Lintrathen, 1st Lord High Treasurer of Scotland
From Darryl Lundy's Peerage page on Walther Ogilvy of Lintrathen:
http://thepeerage.com/p10823.htm#i108230
Sir Walter Ogilvy of Lintrathen1
M, #108230,
d. 1440
Last Edited=22 Feb 2011
Consanguinity Index=1.56%
Sir Walter Ogilvy of Lintrathen married, firstly, unknown Durward.[1]
He married, secondly, Isabel Glen, daughter of Sir John Glen and Margaret Erskine of Inchmartin, after 1427.[2],[1]
He died in 1440.[1]
He was the son of Sir Walter Ogilvy of Auchterhouse and Isabel Ramsay.[1]
He held the office of High Treasurer [Scotland] in 1425.[3]
He lived at Lintrathen, Angus, Scotland.[2]
He was a Commissioner to England negotiating for peace between 1431 and 1437.[3]
Children of Sir Walter Ogilvy of Lintrathen and unknown Durward
1. Sir John Ogilvy of Lintrathen+[1] b. b 1414, d. Jun 1489
2. James Ogilvy [1] b. b 1427
Children of Sir Walter Ogilvy of Lintrathen and Isabel Glen
1. Isabel Ogilvy+[4] d. 1484
2. Walter Ogilvy+[1]
3. Giles Ogilvy [5]
4. David Ogilvy [1] b. b 28 Jan 1426/27
5. Alexander Ogilvy [1] b. b 1440
6. Patrick Ogilvy [1] b. b 1440
7. George Ogilvy [1] b. b 1440
Citations
1. [S8] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 106th edition, 2 volumes (Crans, Switzerland: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 1999), volume 1, page 45. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 106th edition.
2. [S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume VII, page 121. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.
3. [S323] Sir James Balfour Paul, The Scots Peerage: founded on Wood's edition of Sir Robert Douglas's The Peerage of Scotland (Edinburgh, Scotland: David Douglas, 1904), volume I, page 111. Hereinafter cited as The Scots Peerage.
4. [S11] Alison Weir, Britain's Royal Family: A Complete Genealogy (London, U.K.: The Bodley Head, 1999), page 228. Hereinafter cited as Britain's Royal Family.
5. [S323] Sir James Balfour Paul, The Scots Peerage, volume I, page 112.
From the English Wikipedia page on Lord High Treasurer of Scotland:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasurer_of_Scotland
The Treasurer was a senior post in the pre-Union government of Scotland, the Privy Council of Scotland.
The full title of the post was Lord High Treasurer, Comptroller, Collector-General and Treasurer of the New Augmentation, formed as it was from the amalgamation of four earlier offices. Of these, the Treasurer and Comptroller had originated in 1425 when the Chamberlain's financial functions were transferred to them.[1]
Source:
1. ^ Accounts of the Lord High Treasurer, vol. 1, (1877), xiv.
Lord High Treasurer
Walter was from Auchterhouse, co. Angus and was Sheriff of co. Angus. He died at the battle of Glenbrierachan.
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Sir Walter Ogilvy of Lintrathen, 1st Lord High Treasurer of Scotland's Timeline
1380
1380
Birth of Walter
Probably Auchterhouse, Forfarshire, Scotland
Walter married Isabel GLEN about 1400 in Bridgend of Lintrathen, Forfarshire, Scotland. Isabel (daughter of Sir John DE GLEN, of Inchmartin and Balmuto and Lady Margaret ERSKINE, Countess of Balmuto) was born in 1380 in Lintrathen, Forfarshire, Scotland; died after 1440 in Lintrathen, Forfarshire, Scotland. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
Children:
- 16. Katherine OGILVY
was born about 1395 in Scotland; died about 1426.
- 17. Giles OGILVY
was born about 1403 in Scotland; died about 4 May 1468 in Scotland.
- 18. James OGILVY
was born about 1404 in Lintrathen, Forfarshire, Scotland; died in 1450 in Scotland.
- 19. Walter OGILVY
was born in 1405 in Lintrathen, Angus, Scotland; died on 25 Oct 1460 in Deskford, Banffshire, Scotland; was buried in Turriff, Aberdeenshire, Scotland.
- 20. Lady Isabel OGILVIE, of Lintrathen
was born in 1406 in Forfar, Forfarshire, Scotland; died on 12 Jan 1484 in Glamis, Forfarshire, Scotland; was buried in Kirriemuir, Forfarshire, Scotland.
- 21. Lady Egidia OGILVY
was born in 1407 in Kirkton of Auchterhouse, Dundee, Angus, Scotland; died in 1484 in Scotland.
- 22. Sir Knight John OGILVY
was born in 1412 in Lintrathen, Angus, Scotland; died in Jun 1489 in Lintrathen, Angus, Scotland; was buried in 1489 in Scotland.
- 23. Patrick OGILVY
was born about 1416 in Lintrathen, Angusshire, Scotland; and died.
- 24. George OGILVY
was born about 1417 in Kirktown of Deskford, Banffshire, Scotland; died about 1512 in Scotland.
- 25. David OGILVIE
was born on 28 Jan 1426 in Scotland; and died.
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13. | Andrew OGILVY (5.Walter3, 2.Walter2, 1.Marjory1) was born in 1378 in Castle Auchterhouse, Angus-shire, Scotland; and died. Other Events:
- FamilySearch ID: GD9S-9JP
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14. | Isabel OGILVY, of Auchterhouse, latterly of Bedingfield (5.Walter3, 2.Walter2, 1.Marjory1) was born in 1378 in Bedingfield, Suffolk, England; died in 1406 in Bedingfield, Suffolk, England; was buried in Bedingfield, Suffolk, England. Other Events:
- FamilySearch ID: GDQQ-22K
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