Maud De ST. LIZ

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Family/Spouse: Saher De QUINCY. Saher died in 1156. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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His older brother, Saher II, inherited the English estates from SAHER I. Robert started appearing in Scottish records around 1165. His career was doubtless advanced by his second cousins Malcolm and WILLIAM THE LION (RIN 1913), successively kings of Scotland, and it was certainly KING WILLIAM who granted to him the site of the old castle of Forfar and a toft in Haddington. While his brother Saher II was serving HENRY II as a justice in Normandy, Robert was acting as Justiciar of Scotland, an office which he held from 1171 to 1178. Royal favour may also have brought about his marriage, at a date unknown, to a notable heiress, ORABILE, daughter of NESS son of WILLIAM. Her father, a prominent but ill-documented figure, was apparently a first-generation Norman-Scot. ORABILE was heir to her father's lands, to the exclusion of his sons Constantine and Patrick, and thus brought to Robert estates at Gask and Deuglie, in Perthshire, at Leuchars, Lathrisk, Beath and elsewhere in Fife, and at Tranent, in Lothian. This fortunate marriage helped to raise Robert in a short time to a level of importance in Scotland greater than the relatively minor position which his brother Saher II held in English society. Twelfth-century Scotland was a land of opportunity and a vigorous younger son such as Robert de Quincy could make there a name which might become known well beyond the bounds of the small northern kingdom. In 1190 Robert joined King Richard I on the Third Crusade, was constable of a force to take aid to Antioch in 1191 and in the same year was sent with HUGH III, DUKE OF BURGUNDY (RIN 3796) to Tyre to collect prisoners from PHILIP AUGUSTUS, KING OF FRANCE (RIN 3163). On his return from the crusade, Robert took part in Richard I's campaigns in Normandy in 1194 and 1196. On the death of his nephew Saher III, before 1192, Robert succeeded to the English estates of the family's main line and added these to his Scottish possessions. By the time of his death, which took place before Michaelmas, 1197, he had proved himself as a knight of wide experience and had established his position as an Anglo-Scottish baron of some prominence. The marriage of Robert and ORABILE was apparently ended by a separation. She later married Gilchrist, earl of Mar, while Robert married a lady named Eve, who may possibly have been of the family of the lords of Galloway. The matrimonial complexities of this situation have caused a controversy which need not be entered upon here.

Family/Spouse: ORABELLA. (daughter of Ness) and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Saher married Margaret De BEAUMONT about 1190. Margaret (daughter of Robert BEAUMONT and Petronilla GRANDMESNIL) died on 12 Jan 1234. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Name: Robert II DE QUINCY
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• Excommunicated: Dec 1215

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The eldest son of Saher IV and MARGARET was ROBERT II, who was knighted in 1213, when his father was granted an aid from his tenants for that purpose. If the grant of knighthood to ROBERT II took place about the age of twenty, he must have been born about 1193 and his parents might have married about 1190. Robert did not inherit the earldom of Winchester because he was in rebellion at the time of his father's death.

Family/Spouse: Hawise Of CHESTER. Hawise (daughter of Hugh Of CYVEILIOG and Bertrade De MONTFORT) was born on 11 Sep 1180 in Chester, Chestershire, England; died after 6 Jun 1241 in Chester, Cheshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]