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Carney & Wehofer Family
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 1054 - Aft 1086 (33 years)
Generation: 1
| 1. |  Judith was born in 1054; died after 1086. Other Events:
- _UID: 4AC26E9728B0496DA445F46C270F1ABFF75F
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Subject: Re: Elizabeth of York, et varia: . "Stapleton, though with some hesitation, accepted the marriage [of Judith to Lambert] and this paternity for Judith (Magn. Rot. Scacc. Norm. ii, xxxi, note (i)), although he had earlier (Archaeologia xxvi (1836), pp. 350f.) taken both Adelaide's daughters, Adelaide the younger and Judith, to be the children of Enguerrand II of Ponthieu. We support his earlier view for the following reasons: . (1) Lambert of Lens was killed at the siege of Lille in July-August 1054; yet the endowment published by Stapleton in Archaeologia shows that Adelaide was still residing, at some time after the beginning of 1055, at Aumale, Enguerrand's maternal inheritance, of which Adelaide the younger was the heiress. . (2) Adelaide the elder resided long enough in Aumale to be commonly described in later chronicles as 'comitissa de Albamarla' (despite her marriage at some time before 1070 to Odo of Champagne); she is nowhere called 'comitissa Lensensis'. . (3) While Judith is associated with her mother and sister in the Aumale endowment, there is no mention of Lambert. . (4) Lambert's lands passed to his older brother, Eustace II of Boulogne, and none were assigned to Judith, although an heiress normally inherited at least a portion of her father's property (as Adelaide the younger did), if not the whole (as Agnes/Anna of Ponthieu and Mathilda of Boulogne did)."
Judith married Waltheof II in 1070. Waltheof and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
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Generation: 3
Generation: 4
| 4. |  Robert De QUINCY  (3.Maud3, 2.Maud2, 1.Judith1) was born about 1100; died in 1197. Other Events:
- _UID: E100CCE9096E43F2A142FA097C12C1B72E91
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His older brother, Saher II, inherited the English estates from SAHER I. Robert started appearing in Scottish records around 1165. His career was doubtless advanced by his second cousins Malcolm and WILLIAM THE LION (RIN 1913), successively kings of Scotland, and it was certainly KING WILLIAM who granted to him the site of the old castle of Forfar and a toft in Haddington. While his brother Saher II was serving HENRY II as a justice in Normandy, Robert was acting as Justiciar of Scotland, an office which he held from 1171 to 1178. Royal favour may also have brought about his marriage, at a date unknown, to a notable heiress, ORABILE, daughter of NESS son of WILLIAM. Her father, a prominent but ill-documented figure, was apparently a first-generation Norman-Scot. ORABILE was heir to her father's lands, to the exclusion of his sons Constantine and Patrick, and thus brought to Robert estates at Gask and Deuglie, in Perthshire, at Leuchars, Lathrisk, Beath and elsewhere in Fife, and at Tranent, in Lothian. This fortunate marriage helped to raise Robert in a short time to a level of importance in Scotland greater than the relatively minor position which his brother Saher II held in English society. Twelfth-century Scotland was a land of opportunity and a vigorous younger son such as Robert de Quincy could make there a name which might become known well beyond the bounds of the small northern kingdom. In 1190 Robert joined King Richard I on the Third Crusade, was constable of a force to take aid to Antioch in 1191 and in the same year was sent with HUGH III, DUKE OF BURGUNDY (RIN 3796) to Tyre to collect prisoners from PHILIP AUGUSTUS, KING OF FRANCE (RIN 3163). On his return from the crusade, Robert took part in Richard I's campaigns in Normandy in 1194 and 1196. On the death of his nephew Saher III, before 1192, Robert succeeded to the English estates of the family's main line and added these to his Scottish possessions. By the time of his death, which took place before Michaelmas, 1197, he had proved himself as a knight of wide experience and had established his position as an Anglo-Scottish baron of some prominence. The marriage of Robert and ORABILE was apparently ended by a separation. She later married Gilchrist, earl of Mar, while Robert married a lady named Eve, who may possibly have been of the family of the lords of Galloway. The matrimonial complexities of this situation have caused a controversy which need not be entered upon here.
Family/Spouse: ORABELLA. (daughter of Ness) and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
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