Catherine MOLEYNS^{[1, 2]}

Bef 1425 - 1465  (~ 40 years)

• Name	Catherine MOLEYNS  [3, 4, 5, 6]
  Born	Bef 1425	Stoke Poges, Buckinghamshire, England   [6]
  Gender	Female
  FamilySearch ID	L526-3Z2
  _UID	BB84105F01E74669B7EC3806718F327FD773
  Died	3 Nov 1465	Stoke-By-Nayland, Suffolk, England   [3, 4]
  Person ID	I13240	Carney Wehofer Feb 2024 Genealogy
  Last Modified	14 Dec 2022

  
  

  Married	Y  [7]
  Family ID	F12959	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

  Family	John HOWARD, Kg, 1St Duke Of Norfolk,   b. 1422, Babergh, Suffolk, England ,   d. 22 Aug 1485, Battle Of Bosworth Field, Leicestershire, England  (Age 63 years)
  Married	Aug 1441	Stoke By Nayland, Suffolk, England   [3, 4]
  Children	1. Isabel HOWARD,   b. Abt 1442, Tendring, Essex, England ,   d. 7 Jul 1505, Great Ashfield, Stow, Suffolk, England  (Age ~ 63 years)   2. Lady Margaret HOWARD,   b. Abt 1442, Wiggenhall St Mary the Virgin, Norfolk, England ,   d. 1484, Felbrigg, , Norfolk, England  (Age ~ 42 years)   3. Thomas HOWARD, 2nd Duke Of Norfolk,   b. 1443, Stoke By Nayland, Suffolk, England ,   d. 21 May 1524, Framingham Castle, Norfolk, England  (Age 81 years)   4. John HOWARD, 3rd Duke of Mowbray,   b. 1444, Coningsby, Lincolnshire, England ,   d. 21 May 1524  (Age 80 years)   5. Nicholas HOWARD,   b. 1445, Stoke By Nayland, Suffolk, England ,   d. 1468, Farlingham Castle, Farlingham, Norfolk, England  (Age 23 years)   6. Agnes HOWARD,   b. Abt 1446, Tendring, Essex, England ,   d. Yes, date unknown   7. Anne HOWARD,   b. Abt 1446, Tendring, Essex, England ,   d. Bef 1500, Wraxall, Somerset, England  (Age ~ 53 years)
  Last Modified	14 Dec 2022
  Family ID	F6733	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

• Notes

  Katherine (died 1465), daughter of Sir William de Moleyns. [Burke's Peerage] -------------------- Catherine Moleyns, d. 3 Nov 1465, daughter of Sir William Moleyns of Stoke Poges, co. Buckingham. [Magna Charta Sureties] -------------------- The Complete Peerage states that Catherine's father is the William Moleyns who died in 1425 (married to Margery). Yet Leo van de Pas, citing "Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels, Fuertliche Haeuser 1964, p. 500", has Katherine's father as the William who died in 1429, being the son of the William who died in 1425. Ancestral Roots, Magna Charta Sureties, and Burke's Peerage are ambiguous on the subject, merely stating that she is daughter of William Moleyns. Still another source, Gerald Paget's book on ancestors of Prince Charles, as well as a suggestion in CP IX:41 note "n", indicates that Margery, wife of William senior, was Margery Whalesborough (this is the way that I originally had my line). Catherine's birth date would allow her to be daughter of either, though, if daughter of William senior, she would have been 20 years younger than her brother William junior. It doesn't seem likely that both Margery and Anne were daughters of John Whalesborough, since William junior would be marrying his mother's sister. Anne, who was heir of John Whalesborough, seems to have definite proof of being wife of William junior, therefore putting doubt as to William senior marrying Margery Whalesborough. The suggestion of a Whalesborough family background in Catherine's heritage seems to tilt in favour of her parents being William & Anne Whalesborough.

  
  

• Sources

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